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From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
To: arthur miller <arthur.miller@live.com>, chad <yandros@gmail.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, Andrea Corallo <akrl@sdf.org>,
	EMACS development team <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: On elisp running native
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 17:09:11 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b90d177a-c0d9-35ca-414f-e669e91015d8@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <VI1P194MB04291D415A9AE76B615E057696270@VI1P194MB0429.EURP194.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

On 30.12.2019 10:17, arthur miller wrote:
> I haven't yet installed WSL, nor do I have any plans. I don't see why 
> should I install entire Linux kernel if I can run applications natively. 
> I don't understand why people are so excited about wsl when they could 
> just run Linux kernel on bare metal? I do it 99% of time myself and I 
> don't miss Windows at slightest.

So do I. We are not the target audience, are we?

> Mingw and/or Cygwin do just fine for the apps that does not have native 
> win ports already, but most worth-have apps are already written in 
> portable way. Running entire wm and another kernel just to run an app is 
> an overkill on resources in my eyes.

How big is a kernel? 5 MB? 50? It's tiny compared to the amounts of RAM 
we have these days.

We either pile on abstractions, or multiply different versions of code 
designed to do the same thing.



  reply	other threads:[~2019-12-30 14:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 210+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-11-28  6:54 On elisp running native Andrea Corallo
2019-11-28 11:31 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-11-28 14:07   ` Andrea Corallo
2019-11-28 12:47 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-28 20:15   ` Andrea Corallo
2019-11-29  6:03     ` Lars Brinkhoff
2019-11-28 16:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-11-28 17:28   ` Andrea Corallo
2019-11-28 21:06     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-11-28 22:52       ` Andrea Corallo
2019-11-29  0:20       ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-11-29 14:59       ` Andrea Corallo
2019-11-29 15:10         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-29 15:30           ` Stefan Monnier
2019-12-01 10:34             ` Andrea Corallo
2019-12-01 15:27               ` Stefan Monnier
2019-11-29 16:43           ` Andrea Corallo
2019-11-29 19:26             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-29 21:18               ` Andrea Corallo
2019-12-08 20:18 ` Andrea Corallo
2019-12-26 13:05   ` Andrea Corallo
2019-12-26 17:30     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-26 18:14       ` Andrea Corallo
2019-12-26 20:37         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-26 22:10           ` Andrea Corallo
2019-12-27  9:12             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-27 10:46               ` Andrea Corallo
2019-12-27 14:03                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-28  1:17               ` Richard Stallman
2019-12-28  7:50                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-28  8:17                 ` Andrea Corallo
2019-12-29  0:08                   ` Richard Stallman
2019-12-29  9:29                     ` Andrea Corallo
2019-12-28 13:07               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-12-28 13:28                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-28 19:56                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-12-29 19:59                 ` chad
2019-12-30  8:17                   ` arthur miller
2019-12-30 14:09                     ` Dmitry Gutov [this message]
2019-12-30 15:25                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-30 22:03                       ` arthur miller
2019-12-31  3:34                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-30 13:56                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-12-30 14:04                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-12-30  8:47                 ` Achim Gratz
2019-12-27 15:53             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-12-27 21:02               ` Andrea Corallo
2019-12-27 22:19                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-12-28  8:34                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-28  8:56                   ` Andrea Corallo
2019-12-28 10:06                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-28 11:57                       ` Andrea Corallo
2019-12-28 13:34                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-28 14:35                           ` Andrea Corallo
2019-12-28 18:38                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-28 22:13                               ` Andrea Corallo
2019-12-31  9:55                               ` Andrea Corallo
2019-12-31 15:49                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-02-24 23:21                       ` Andrea Corallo
2020-02-25  6:14                         ` yyoncho
2020-02-25  7:29                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-02-25 12:59                             ` Andrea Corallo
2020-02-28  4:34                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-02-28  8:26                                 ` Andrea Corallo
2020-02-28  9:23                                   ` yyoncho
2020-04-26 12:00                           ` Andrea Corallo
2020-04-27  4:41                             ` yyoncho
2019-12-26 20:26     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-12-26 20:58       ` dick.r.chiang
2019-12-26 21:57       ` Andrea Corallo
2019-12-27  8:22         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-27 10:49           ` Andrea Corallo
2019-12-28 16:10           ` dick.r.chiang
2019-12-28 17:31             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-31 10:24           ` Andrea Corallo
2019-12-31 15:51             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-31 16:21               ` Andrea Corallo
2019-12-31 16:47                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-31 22:15                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2020-01-01 12:41                   ` Andrea Corallo
2020-01-01 15:14                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-01-01 18:42                       ` Andrea Corallo
2020-01-02  7:55                         ` arthur miller
2020-01-02 11:31                           ` Andrea Corallo
2020-01-02 13:53                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-04 18:17                           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-01-05  1:33                             ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-01-05  4:51                               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-01-05  5:18                                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-01-05  6:36                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-01-02 13:47                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-04 18:14                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-01-05 10:00                           ` Andrea Corallo
2020-01-02 11:47                       ` Andrea Corallo
2020-01-02 16:52                         ` Ergus
2020-01-02 17:55                           ` Andrea Corallo
2020-01-11 14:10                         ` Andrea Corallo
2020-02-04 11:28                           ` Andrea Corallo
2020-02-04 15:30                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-02-04 18:39                               ` Andrea Corallo
2020-02-04 18:58                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-02-04 19:00                                 ` Paul Eggert
2020-02-04 20:30                                   ` Andrea Corallo
2020-02-05 10:15                                     ` Andrea Corallo
2020-02-05 14:24                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-02-15  9:29                                         ` Andrea Corallo
2020-02-16 18:18                                           ` Andrea Corallo
2020-02-22 10:15                                             ` On elisp running native - deferred compilation Andrea Corallo
2020-02-22 14:19                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-03-04 19:34                                             ` On elisp running native Andrea Corallo
2020-03-04 20:21                                               ` Michael Albinus
2020-03-04 22:16                                                 ` Andrea Corallo
2020-03-05 19:33                                                   ` Michael Albinus
2020-03-06 21:44                                                     ` Andrea Corallo
2020-03-07  9:09                                                       ` Michael Albinus
2020-03-07  9:33                                                         ` Andrea Corallo
2020-03-07  9:41                                                           ` Michael Albinus
     [not found]                                                             ` <xjf36akjx8e.fsf@sdf.org>
     [not found]                                                               ` <87y2sca2ex.fsf@gmx.de>
     [not found]                                                                 ` <xjfy2scigxn.fsf@sdf.org>
     [not found]                                                                   ` <xjftv30hytf.fsf@sdf.org>
2020-03-07 17:57                                                                     ` Michael Albinus
2020-03-07 18:49                                                                       ` Andrea Corallo
2020-03-07 18:54                                                                         ` Michael Albinus
2020-03-07 19:19                                                                           ` Andrea Corallo
2020-03-08 15:03                                                                             ` Andrea Corallo
2020-03-08 20:16                                                                               ` Michael Albinus
2020-03-08 20:55                                                                                 ` Andrea Corallo
2020-03-08 21:09                                                                                   ` Michael Albinus
2020-03-08 21:29                                                                                     ` Andrea Corallo
2020-03-08 21:32                                                                                       ` Michael Albinus
2020-03-08 21:37                                                                                         ` Andrea Corallo
2020-03-05 10:54                                               ` Adam Porter
2020-03-05 12:43                                                 ` Gong-Yi Liao 廖宮毅
2020-03-05 13:27                                                   ` Andrea Corallo
2020-03-08 14:37                                                     ` Gong-Yi Liao 廖宮毅
2020-03-08 15:13                                                       ` Andrea Corallo
2020-03-15 19:00                                                     ` Gong-Yi Liao 廖宮毅
2020-03-15 20:00                                                       ` Andrea Corallo
2020-03-05 13:19                                                 ` Andrea Corallo
2020-03-05 14:42                                                   ` Adam Porter
2020-03-05 19:46                                                     ` Andrea Corallo
2020-03-06 21:15                                                   ` Adam Porter
2020-03-06 21:23                                                     ` Adam Porter
2020-03-06 21:52                                                       ` Andrea Corallo
2020-03-11 22:04                                                 ` Andrea Corallo
2020-03-12 17:10                                                   ` Adam Porter
2020-03-12 17:34                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-03-12 18:03                                                     ` Andrea Corallo
2020-03-23 21:36                                               ` On elisp running native - Update7 Andrea Corallo
2020-03-24  2:59                                                 ` Gong-Yi Liao 廖宮毅
2020-03-24  8:44                                                   ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-16 15:24                                                 ` On elisp running native - Update 8 Andrea Corallo
2020-05-16 16:21                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-16 20:44                                                     ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-16 18:22                                                   ` Gregor Zattler
2020-05-16 19:59                                                     ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-17  5:26                                                       ` Gregor Zattler
2020-06-14 13:23                                                   ` On elisp running native - Update 9 Andrea Corallo
2020-06-14 17:23                                                     ` arthur miller
2020-06-15  5:04                                                     ` Gong-Yi Liao 廖宮毅
2020-06-15  7:41                                                       ` Andrea Corallo
2020-06-17 23:54                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-06-18  6:55                                                       ` Andrea Corallo
2020-07-16 20:00                                                     ` On elisp running native - Update 10 Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-17 18:43                                                       ` On elisp running native - Update 11 Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-18  5:13                                                         ` Arthur Miller
2020-08-18  8:17                                                           ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-26 10:35                                                         ` On elisp running native - Update 12 Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-26 14:29                                                           ` T.V Raman
2020-09-26 14:56                                                             ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-26 15:07                                                               ` T.V Raman
2020-09-28 12:22                                                                 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2020-09-28 14:03                                                                   ` T.V Raman
2020-09-27 10:35                                                           ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-27 18:28                                                             ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-27 18:30                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-27 20:39                                                                 ` T.V Raman
2020-09-27 22:10                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-28  6:06                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-28 10:28                                                                   ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-28 10:45                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-28 11:02                                                                       ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-27 20:37                                                               ` T.V Raman
2020-09-28 14:10                                                           ` Yuan Fu
2020-09-28 14:51                                                             ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-28 15:20                                                               ` Yuan Fu
2020-09-28 15:32                                                                 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-28 15:19                                                           ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-28 15:39                                                             ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-28 16:12                                                               ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-28 17:21                                                                 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-01-01 18:37                                                           ` On elisp running native - Update 13 Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-01-01 20:07                                                             ` tomas
2020-01-01 15:19                     ` On elisp running native Óscar Fuentes
2020-01-01 18:48                       ` Andrea Corallo
2020-01-01 14:59             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-03-15 14:21 ` Spenser Truex
2020-03-15 20:10   ` Andrea Corallo
2020-03-18 14:58     ` Lars Brinkhoff
2020-03-18 17:14       ` Andrea Corallo
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-01-02 21:47 arthur miller
2020-03-06 13:28 Zhu Zihao
2020-03-06 17:51 ` Andrea Corallo
2020-03-09 17:55   ` Zhu Zihao
2020-03-09 18:52     ` Andrea Corallo
2020-03-09 19:14       ` Zhu Zihao
2020-03-09 19:41         ` Andrea Corallo
2020-03-09 21:06         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-03-09 19:18       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-03-09 19:42         ` Andrea Corallo
2020-04-05 21:48         ` Andrea Corallo
2020-03-10 16:15   ` Zhu Zihao
2020-03-10 17:46     ` Andrea Corallo

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