From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@gmail.com>,
Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: RE: Should mode commands be idempotent?
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:58:23 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <b8ac2adc-6339-4ac5-9556-e03686804539@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAArVCkS=SCpniiaf_WuruLRhqCWiORKHus4cff=w++8_GSpQ2w@mail.gmail.com>
> I think it's generally expected that mode commands (both major and
> minor) are reasonably idempotent, i.e. calling them twice should
> have the same effects as calling them once (unless using 'toggle,
> of course). However, I couldn't find this requirement in the manual,
> should it be added to the "Modes" section?
It is perhaps typical; i.e., perhaps most modes have that
property. But I don't see why it "should" be true of modes.
Why should it be a "requirement" or a convention?
People can use a mode for whatever they want. A mode can
do anything its author wants it to do. I see that as a
good thing, not a bad thing.
What's the use case for such a restriction? If it's to
allow for easier program analysis or something, it should
be enough to let people know (if appropriate) that if a
mode is not idempotent then it might be more difficult to
reason about its behavior. (But reasoning about Lisp
behavior is anyway not something simple - Lisp is not
Haskell.)
The fact that most modes are likely idempotent should be
enough, I think. Most mode writers don't go out of their
way to make a mode act differently if it is turned on more
than once.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-09-19 22:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-09-19 19:58 Should mode commands be idempotent? Philipp Stephani
2017-09-19 22:10 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-09-19 22:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-09-20 7:24 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-09-20 14:52 ` John Wiegley
2017-09-20 22:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-09-20 23:05 ` Drew Adams
2017-10-08 15:09 ` Philipp Stephani
2017-09-20 22:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-09-23 8:16 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-09-23 14:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-09-23 20:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-09-19 22:58 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2017-09-20 3:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-09-20 17:52 ` Drew Adams
2017-09-21 1:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-09-21 5:22 ` Drew Adams
2017-09-21 18:28 ` Richard Stallman
[not found] ` <<9f11a3c6-b113-4bf6-9dab-f894b2ad77b5@default>
[not found] ` <<E1dv6D1-0006Jr-Fl@fencepost.gnu.org>
2017-09-22 15:54 ` Drew Adams
2017-09-23 0:39 ` Richard Stallman
2017-09-23 8:05 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-09-24 17:26 ` Drew Adams
2017-09-25 7:03 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-09-25 13:57 ` Drew Adams
2017-09-26 0:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-09-26 3:30 ` John Wiegley
2017-09-26 17:55 ` Drew Adams
2017-09-26 18:01 ` John Wiegley
2017-09-26 18:50 ` Drew Adams
2017-09-26 18:54 ` John Wiegley
2017-10-08 15:28 ` Philipp Stephani
2017-10-08 19:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-10-10 2:10 ` John Wiegley
2017-12-21 20:49 ` Philipp Stephani
2017-12-22 2:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-10-10 23:15 ` Herring, Davis
[not found] ` <<E1dvYUB-0007na-Mx@fencepost.gnu.org>
2017-09-24 17:26 ` Drew Adams
2017-09-25 22:06 ` Richard Stallman
2017-09-19 23:50 ` John Wiegley
2017-09-20 3:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-09-20 13:01 ` Richard Stallman
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