From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: menu-bar-help-menu Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 09:04:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: References: <<20181116.132016.345008228744400751.tkk@misasa.okayama-u.ac.jp>> <<83d0r5795f.fsf@gnu.org>> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1542387830 17197 195.159.176.226 (16 Nov 2018 17:03:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 17:03:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii , Tak Kunihiro Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 16 18:03:45 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gNhWz-0004LQ-81 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 18:03:45 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45969 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gNhZ5-00038b-So for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 12:05:55 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49848) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gNhYG-00037o-8B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 12:05:05 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gNhYF-00038U-CU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 12:05:04 -0500 Original-Received: from aserp2120.oracle.com ([141.146.126.78]:50930) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gNhYB-00030t-Cf; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 12:04:59 -0500 Original-Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id wAGGxIGa168836; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 17:04:58 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2018-07-02; bh=/5b8vvM9WxF/YP9aOWxEJmkkoR0F3OaICHEjkGo7qX0=; b=UeDmX4heuMeXq5zSaU7TxX7AFFVQKUJgHqWhszB/yyXgiPtqZK2D9w096ZoNit7Jk/aq +Hy2gWU5hFMsRmV53/vb8YrNlibLOIp0QwGYKo5vP9/d92fWWOlvDrdYke1VhDCmI3gR lrnLkXBdvfu0yMOqS73bgfDIauKIOeD9Q3WWaUSquxVVISxCcZfa7k+8HCbewR+8Md9S eemhmPkrFyWMY91ZBhuxmRXPkwmAI91CzBD9kJ9zbw81zVdH21cu3hwaI5rKzdoqQkaS 0BjJEI6UGGwausSBvZevYe/6+zUg04GKUP8Z9OFnNeCNGVHgCsP44cCmgI1ElXG3gwwF Ow== Original-Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by aserp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2nr7csga51-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Nov 2018 17:04:57 +0000 Original-Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id wAGH4v7V024241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Nov 2018 17:04:57 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0002.oracle.com (abhmp0002.oracle.com [141.146.116.8]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id wAGH4uqh005178; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 17:04:56 GMT In-Reply-To: <<83d0r5795f.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4756.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=9079 signatures=668683 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=876 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1810050000 definitions=main-1811160151 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 141.146.126.78 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:231201 Archived-At: > > I often find help menu to be very useful. I think the word "Emacs" is > > too often shown up in the help menu. Most of "Emacs" in the help menu > > could be taken out to read better. I propose the new help menu as > > shown below. >=20 > FWIW, I think removing "Emacs" from these items will make their intent > less clear. I also don't understand how their presence can make the > items less readable, can you explain? Adding "Emacs" all over the place just adds noise, making it harder to scan and pick out the signal. Of course, if there is somewhere where a distinction is important (Emacs vs something else), adding "Emacs" might help in that case. But adding it gratuitously in many places prevents such an exception from standing out.