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From: Davis Herring <herring@lanl.gov>
To: Alexander Shukaev <emacs@alexander.shukaev.name>
Cc: Noam Postavsky <npostavs@gmail.com>,
	Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Emacs Hangs on Filesystem Operations on Stale NFS
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 11:26:55 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b64edef7-1142-aa3d-38e0-ab8666d11d94@lanl.gov> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7466e2d177e79983436af2425ceb5b54@alexander.shukaev.name>

> signal.alarm(3)
> try: 
>   proc = subprocess.call('stat ' + path,
>                shell=True,
>                stderr=subprocess.PIPE,
>                stdout=subprocess.PIPE)

You're sending SIGALRM to the _parent_, not the (possibly-frozen) 
stat(1) child.  Of course that works; you're just interrupting normal 
pipe I/O with (or wait(2) on) the child.

Emacs can't possibly do all of its file operations in subprocesses.  A 
complete redesign might allow the "process per tab" model used in some 
modern browsers, but that would break much of existing Lisp.  It might 
just be possible to have a "file server process" that could be killed 
and reincarnated as needed, but I wouldn't want to promise much about 
performance (and support for concurrent I/O).

Incidentally, don't mix call() and communicate(), and avoid 
"shell=True", especially when the replacement is easier:

   proc = subprocess.Popen(['stat', path],
                 stderr=subprocess.PIPE,
                 stdout=subprocess.PIPE)

[From a later message:]

> There are plenty of other ways why those file operations might hang.
> For example, [1].
> 
> [1] http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/63071/local-regular-file-causes-stat-or-ls-l-to-hang

The (single, accepted) answer there says that it was an LDAP issue 
looking up user/group names.  That's not a file operation at all.

Davis

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-06-12 17:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-11 10:27 Emacs Hangs on Filesystem Operations on Stale NFS Alexander Shukaev
2018-06-11 11:01 ` Andreas Schwab
2018-06-11 11:05   ` Alexander Shukaev
2018-06-11 11:50     ` Andreas Schwab
2018-06-11 12:03       ` Alexander Shukaev
2018-06-11 11:55 ` Alexander Shukaev
2018-06-11 11:59 ` Noam Postavsky
2018-06-11 12:11   ` Alexander Shukaev
2018-06-11 12:20     ` Noam Postavsky
2018-06-11 12:22       ` Alexander Shukaev
2018-06-11 12:34         ` Noam Postavsky
2018-06-11 12:41           ` Alexander Shukaev
2018-06-11 12:40     ` Andreas Schwab
2018-06-11 12:46       ` Alexander Shukaev
2018-06-11 15:51         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-06-13 15:40           ` Paul Eggert
2018-06-12 17:26     ` Davis Herring [this message]
2018-06-12 18:26       ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-06-11 15:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-06-11 16:46   ` Mike Kupfer
2018-06-11 17:08     ` Stefan Monnier
2018-06-13 10:45 ` Alexander Shukaev
2018-06-13 12:35   ` Yuri Khan
2018-06-13 14:23     ` Stefan Monnier
2018-06-13 15:30       ` Yuri Khan
2018-06-13 18:09       ` Michael Albinus

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