From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Why was `transient-mark-mode' turned off for `delete-selection-mode'? Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 10:04:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: References: <60d75d3a-d04c-4394-800b-60b65fafdb11@default> <2ffbe01d-ef46-4467-83a6-4714a192ba8b@default> <3b045884-0f98-49f3-addd-227a3c1403d1@default> <53f0f206-96ae-423b-a237-294a26f60270@default> <87ppfa1rdi.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <1e534a9c-cc81-4bd6-ab28-8427de9e07bf@default> <87a96e11ug.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1409936693 31066 80.91.229.3 (5 Sep 2014 17:04:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 17:04:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 05 19:04:46 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XPwwI-0000bb-6o for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2014 19:04:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59163 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XPwwH-00080e-Cv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2014 13:04:45 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56920) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XPww6-0007zg-6X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2014 13:04:42 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XPwvx-0005Xk-G2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2014 13:04:34 -0400 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:40006) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XPwvx-0005Xb-A4; Fri, 05 Sep 2014 13:04:25 -0400 Original-Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s85H4NKl029022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Sep 2014 17:04:24 GMT Original-Received: from aserz7022.oracle.com (aserz7022.oracle.com [141.146.126.231]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s85H4MwV001906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 5 Sep 2014 17:04:22 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0008.oracle.com (abhmp0008.oracle.com [141.146.116.14]) by aserz7022.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s85H4Lcm007650; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 17:04:21 GMT In-Reply-To: <87a96e11ug.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8.2 (807160) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 141.146.126.69 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:174044 Archived-At: > Try marking a region in emacs -Q with _any_ of the mouse, or with > shift-cursor, or with C-SPC and some movement. Then type DEL. > You'll see that _any_ way of marking a highlighted region will > cause DEL to delete that region. Yes, you are right...since Emacs 24. The mouse is no longer exceptional in this respect. I was wrong about that. Are you glad that deletion-key-deletes-highlighted-selection behavior was extended beyond the mouse in this way? Are you now OK with this behavior in Emacs, in spite of swearing about it when you encounter it outside Emacs? Yes? Good. So I guess it is just the type-to-replace part of d-s mode that you still don't like. Funny how "one can get used to getting annoyed"... and even come to appreciate or prefer (?!) formerly annoying behavior... >From arguments against t-m mode (annoying highlighting!), to arguments against deletion keys deleting the highlighted selection, to arguments against self-insert keys replacing the selection,... I guess you are now used to 2 out of 3 (and actually prefer their behavior?). In another 20 years or so we can perhaps finally go for the 3rd as well, and end up with what the rest of the world will have been using comfortably for the past 40 years.