From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Katsumi Yamaoka Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Mail mode vs message mode Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:00:49 +0900 Organization: Emacsen advocacy group Message-ID: References: <87639beb4n.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <876399p00j.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87iqd8rh73.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> <87r5rvvknw.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87lji3od0l.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> <87vdh6focv.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87pr7aftaj.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> <871vjmcmgh.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> <87skc03tsk.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87tywd1808.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1259539298 1992 80.91.229.12 (30 Nov 2009 00:01:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 00:01:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 30 01:01:30 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NEthp-0007GU-BU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 01:01:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39329 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NEthp-000898-5f for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:01:29 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NEthZ-00084I-K2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:01:13 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NEthV-00082f-Re for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:01:13 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=41579 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NEthV-00082X-KK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:01:09 -0500 Original-Received: from orlando.hostforweb.net ([216.246.45.90]:36408) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NEthV-0000UJ-6y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:01:09 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44914) by orlando.hostforweb.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NEteX-0004RG-8z; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:58:06 -0600 X-Hashcash: 1:20:091130:cyd@stupidchicken.com::MgwqAOAHwYz1YKIb:00000000000000000000000000000000000000001298 X-Hashcash: 1:20:091130:emacs-devel@gnu.org::y3cercCssIXZcw9l:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000014f3 X-Hashcash: 1:20:091130:ding@gnus.org::Nj6qbRg3Jx2IrhEt:0000EClv X-Face: #kKnN,xUnmKia.'[pp`; Omh}odZK)?7wQSl"4o04=EixTF+V[""w~iNbM9ZL+.b*_CxUmFk B#Fu[*?MZZH@IkN:!"\w%I_zt>[$nm7nQosZ<3eu; B:$Q_:p!',P.c0-_Cy[dz4oIpw0ESA^D*1Lw= L&i*6&( User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Ck9Okdn1EgfFAxT4OFRitOMgeGU= X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - orlando.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jpl.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:117936 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:69235 Archived-At: >>>>> Chong Yidong wrote: > How about not synching message.el automatically? No problem at least to me (I do it manually when I do). Now not only message.el but also parse-time.el, pgg.el, time-date.el, and gnus.el differ. > If message-mode is to become the default mail mode for Emacs, we need to > be able to make changes to it as part of Emacs. If that can't be done, > I'd prefer to switch back to mail-mode. Ok. Maybe the point is that I have no understanding of the goal. Currently, the default values of message-* variables in question are the same as those of mail-* variables in the Emacs trunk, and I find no advantage of message-* variables' succeeding to mail-* variables' values. But, it is not the goal, is it? Regards,