From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daniel Colascione Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal: new default bindings for winner and windmove Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2021 12:27:44 -0700 Message-ID: References: <83pmu6y53q.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35953"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.11.0 Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 21 21:30:02 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mHWgr-00095s-At for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 21 Aug 2021 21:30:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51048 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mHWgp-0005qK-PJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 21 Aug 2021 15:29:59 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46426) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mHWek-00051V-2R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Aug 2021 15:27:50 -0400 Original-Received: from dancol.org ([2600:3c01:e000:3d8::1]:56956) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mHWeh-0008S2-N9; Sat, 21 Aug 2021 15:27:49 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dancol.org; s=x; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date: Message-ID:From:References:Cc:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=ZCjt8vCBsb5D09Vj39d/ffvHiihi2orqP1NWnU6yUtg=; b=f/oUAtiE48boTm/YmUkqWgVdpM Xxkcqa0ujM35kjcA2Mzo6r6iM7XF98070RUhvflnXJIu7gWs0T53BxkiMMqB0QcPFCTOi9BjmC3Of wi8lChC3a6CPUjnmDqntKdnNIeKXZTr/C1gbAiJ5rg+a9SX1Fl8yQxmKf+oIuJkrjX/dUtEp9zQ+H 0jhkFgTRJOtGxvD4NLnHKMuEV0gG6H0J0zRsyO/wIyZwL7KYddHSp+TeV7oQuv2/VTKlOwCAL64kO 7wZ9mCkIL3W9zhE9HF7QvqUEHOAhR49JTU22cEWxGxUsMHn5XlUAE12DC+MQP8qpQho7S7o/fXlEL qxWSpgFg==; Original-Received: from [2604:4080:1321:8020:2761:c5fe:e373:3ed] (port=33990) by dancol.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1mHWef-0007CU-Vw; Sat, 21 Aug 2021 12:27:46 -0700 In-Reply-To: <83pmu6y53q.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Language: en-US Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2600:3c01:e000:3d8::1; envelope-from=dancol@dancol.org; helo=dancol.org X-Spam_score_int: -35 X-Spam_score: -3.6 X-Spam_bar: --- X-Spam_report: (-3.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-1.49, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:272804 Archived-At: On 8/21/21 12:23 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Daniel Colascione >> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2021 12:10:16 -0700 >> >> Today, winner binds C-c LEFT  and C-c RIGHT for window configuration >> undo and redo, respectively. This set of bindings has three problems: >> >>  1) the bindings occupy binding space on important keys, LEFT and >> RIGHT, for functions that are rarely used, >> >> 2) the winner binding space isn't logically connected to window >> management, and >> >> 3) the bindings don't work on terminals without LEFT and RIGHT. >> >> How about we set up these bindings instead? > I'm actually surprised they have key bindings. How frequently do you > undo/redo window configuration changes? I do is pretty often actually --- winner's undo history acts as a task stack. When I'm in the middle of working on something and temporarily want to do some other thing that changes window configuration --- for example, using calc or running some test in a shell buffer --- and I want just go back to what I was doing, restoring the window configuration is useful. Sure, I can save the window configuration in a register instead, but doing that requires forethought and winner doesn't. >> (Also: is there any reason we shouldn't enable winner by default?) > Doesn't the tab bar offer a similar functionality? I don't use the tab bar. I don't like that it takes up screen real estate, and I prefer other ways of working with windows.