From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
To: John Yates <john@yates-sheets.org>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Opaque objects and Emacs documentation
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 22:25:42 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <b4e3c748-cfc3-dcb7-8efe-0bcd01988348@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJnXXojVR=z8jsiDEvy-TRymhx0oiT_4v+5n6mDy+s--DZUrtA@mail.gmail.com>
On 17.07.2020 19:56, John Yates wrote:
> OTOH I have been programming for just shy of 50 years. Over that time I
> have continually
> increased the size and scope of projects I could tackle primarily by
> looking for ways to
> build and compose ever better abstractions. Sometimes that has taken
> the form of adopting
> a new programming language, sometimes a new methodology or disciple.
>
> Conversely, one of the banes of my existence has been leaky
> abstractions. For better
> or worse, based maining on the untyped nature of lisp and its culture of
> describing how
> to interpret structures of various shapes, my overriding impression of
> the lisp world in
> general and of elisp in particular is that they are rife with leaky
> abstractions.
>
> I commend Dmitry's desire to provide an opaque abstraction for a
> project.
Thanks, John.
> Sadly, in
> this instance I suspect that such an effort is an attempt to swim
> against an impossibly
> strong tide. (If you cannot beat them, join them :-)
I don't know if it's true.
project.el has seen a certain level of adoption for the last few years,
and some very nice contributions recently. All without using the
approach to documentation that Eli is advocating for.
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2020-07-12 20:07 ` master 0339325: ; * lisp/progmodes/project.el (project-current): Doc fix Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-13 3:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-13 11:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-13 13:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-13 14:14 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-16 22:40 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-17 6:56 ` Opaque objects and Emacs documentation Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-17 8:13 ` tomas
2020-07-17 10:40 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-17 15:38 ` tomas
2020-07-17 10:37 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2020-07-17 10:46 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-17 10:53 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2020-07-17 10:53 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-17 11:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-17 12:02 ` Noam Postavsky
2020-07-17 12:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-17 13:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-17 13:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-17 14:35 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-17 14:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-17 15:03 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-18 1:54 ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-18 19:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-19 2:27 ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-19 14:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-21 19:00 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-21 19:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-21 20:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-21 21:06 ` Tomas Hlavaty
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2020-07-21 20:59 ` Dmitry Gutov
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2020-07-21 21:25 ` Dmitry Gutov
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2020-07-21 19:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-21 21:02 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-21 20:29 ` John Yates
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2020-07-22 14:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-19 22:02 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-20 2:44 ` Richard Stallman
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2020-07-21 8:57 ` tomas
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2020-07-21 14:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2020-07-21 22:12 ` Edebug (was: Opaque objects and Emacs documentation) Stefan Monnier
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