From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings via "Emacs development discussions." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Confused by y-or-n-p Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2021 09:41:27 +0000 Message-ID: References: <834kkcr1eo.fsf@gnu.org> <56435592-d2d0-5fb6-977f-01e1931da835@gmx.at> <87k0t38g1z.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83czyvkts6.fsf@gnu.org> <87bleetirr.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87y2hhri3n.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83pn2tkfg8.fsf@gnu.org> <871rf7ippu.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83a6trg6mc.fsf@gnu.org> <87im8f951f.fsf@gnus.org> <83lfdacapo.fsf@gnu.org> <83wnwra15u.fsf@gnu.org> <83o8i23fht.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Gregory Heytings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5383"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Alpine 2.22 (NEB 394 2020-01-19) Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 06 10:45:20 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kx5NX-0001Fl-Vm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2021 10:45:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59838 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kx5NW-0008IM-Kt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2021 04:45:18 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45340) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kx5Jv-0004l8-IG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2021 04:41:35 -0500 Original-Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:51128) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kx5Jt-0001RJ-W3; Wed, 06 Jan 2021 04:41:35 -0500 Original-Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:ghe@faeroes.freeshell.org [205.166.94.9]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 1069fUu4019170 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Wed, 6 Jan 2021 09:41:30 GMT Original-Received: (from ghe@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) id 1069g8pH029577; Wed, 6 Jan 2021 09:42:08 GMT In-Reply-To: <83o8i23fht.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=205.166.94.24; envelope-from=ghe@sdf.org; helo=mx.sdf.org X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:262585 Archived-At: >>> It is very easy to compare without having both behaviors in the same >>> binary: just keep old binaries around. That's what I do, and it >>> allows me to quickly see what was past behavior, and even perform a >>> quick "bisection" when some new problem is reported. Highly >>> recommended. >> >> That's what I do, too. But you can't expect regular users to do this >> to compare two behaviors in order to give feedback. > > Why not? This is not about any user, this is about people who track the > Emacs development. > One of the things Richard had in mind in his proposal was "poll the users and see who likes [the new behavior] _and why_". Perhaps I misunderstood what he meant, but for me "the users" is much broader than "people who track the Emacs development".