From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings via "Emacs development discussions." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Recentish C-s M-y change Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2021 09:15:05 +0000 Message-ID: References: <87r1na4tyu.fsf@gnus.org> <87tus6tj7s.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87a6txigm1.fsf@gnus.org> <874kk5lzew.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Reply-To: Gregory Heytings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27024"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Alpine 2.22 (NEB 394 2020-01-19) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 01 10:15:55 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kvGXK-0006uu-VU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2021 10:15:54 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39524 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kvGXJ-0005Dp-Ut for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2021 04:15:53 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60646) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kvGWi-0004k0-8O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2021 04:15:16 -0500 Original-Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:49764) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kvGWf-0002iJ-Uh; Fri, 01 Jan 2021 04:15:15 -0500 Original-Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:ghe@faeroes.freeshell.org [205.166.94.9]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 1019F8AN024662 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Fri, 1 Jan 2021 09:15:08 GMT Original-Received: (from ghe@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) id 1019Fr1S013607; Fri, 1 Jan 2021 09:15:53 GMT In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=205.166.94.24; envelope-from=ghe@sdf.org; helo=mx.sdf.org X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, GAPPY_SUBJECT=0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:262225 Archived-At: >> I don't understand your difficulty here. RET (or C-m) has been bound >> to isearch-exit since Emacs 21 at least; > > Yes, and in all that time it has not worked its way into what I recall > when I need to exit a search. It never became natural. I have to dig > around to remember this. > I just searched in the trunk history, and apparently C-m/RET, C-y and C-w already had their current meaning in 1992. >> why do you need to use another more complex command like C-f C-b to do >> this? > > I told you why -- because exiting with RET does not occur to me in a > search. > > I almost always exit a search with a command that will execute after > exiting. > May I respectfully suggest you to add the following to your .emacs? (define-key isearch-mode-map (kbd "C-f") '(lambda () (interactive) (message "Use C-m or RET to exit isearch"))) (define-key isearch-mode-map (kbd "C-b") '(lambda () (interactive) (message "Use C-m or RET to exit isearch"))) I did this when I wanted to unlearn to use the arrow keys to move around, that is, to force myself to learn to use C-f/b/n/p. It's annoying during a day or two, but it's the best way I found to enter something into my "muscle memory". > > It is no surprise to me that I don't remember WHEN various keys were > changed from the default meaning, of "exit the search and execute". > There have been so many that I don't remember what they all are. > In isearch-mode-map at least, the number of changes on control keys during the last twenty years or so is very small: C-u (to allow arguments to subcommands), C-h (to enable help on the isearch-mode-map keys) and C-x (to allow C-x 8 RET).