From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings via "Emacs development discussions." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: on helm substantial differences - Re: [PATCH] Support "\n" in icomplete-separator Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2020 10:54:18 +0000 Message-ID: References: <837dqr27zs.fsf@gnu.org> <83361f22ah.fsf@gnu.org> <83sg9fzlto.fsf@gnu.org> <83r1ozz22j.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Gregory Heytings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3341"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Alpine 2.22 (NEB 394 2020-01-19) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , rudalics@gmx.at, spacibba@aol.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, andreyk.mad@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 12 11:55:08 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kdAFw-0000lT-Ef for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 11:55:08 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33290 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kdAFv-00073p-Bs for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 05:55:07 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42972) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kdAFQ-0006dY-Mm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 05:54:36 -0500 Original-Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:61527) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kdAFO-0006JM-7O; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 05:54:36 -0500 Original-Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:ghe@faeroes.freeshell.org [205.166.94.9]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 0ACAsKbc007079 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Thu, 12 Nov 2020 10:54:20 GMT Original-Received: (from ghe@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) id 0ACAsKsJ009267; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 10:54:20 GMT In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=205.166.94.24; envelope-from=ghe@sdf.org; helo=mx.sdf.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/11/12 03:50:52 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = ??? X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:259072 Archived-At: >>>> This is very subjective. I find the looks of the minibuffer with >>>> vertical completions very nice, and given the popularity of packages >>>> that implement that feature (Helm and Ivy) I'm sure I'm not alone. >>>> And, FWIW, I would very much dislike a "combo box like UI" to replace >>>> this. >>> >>> Helm does not offer minibuffer with vertical completions. >> >> I know. But for the purpose of _this_ discussion (prettyness of a >> vertical presentation of completion candidates by Emacs compared to >> other software) what it does is the same. > > icomplete vertical completion is not same to helm completion. > > Maybe you did not see or did not observe the difference which is to me > very substantial. > I'll say it again: I know that they are different. But for the purpose of _this_ discussion, which is about the _visual prettyness_ of a vertical presentation of completion candidates compared to other software (and therefore _not_ about what you can _do_ / how you can _interact_ with that completion candidates list). And from that viewpoint Helm and Ivy are similar: both display completion candidates vertically at the bottom of the frame. Or at least I do not see how one could say that Helm is _visually pretty_ and Ivy is not (or the other way around).