From: Gregory Heytings via "Emacs development discussions." <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, spacibba@aol.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca,
andreyk.mad@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Support "\n" in icomplete-separator
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2020 18:39:41 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.NEB.2.22.394.2011111926450453.27530@sdf.lonestar.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83361f22ah.fsf@gnu.org>
>>> I'd say this much more bluntly: Emacs's minibuffer input was not
>>> designed for showing too many completion candidates, let alone show
>>> them vertically arranged. It was even less designed to display the
>>> candidates or other hints in overlays.
>>
>> Well, Emacs wasn't designed to manage emails or browse the web either
>> ;-)
>
> Yes, it was. Those applications basically display text with a few
> images, something that Emacs 21 was definitely designed to support.
>
> Don't misunderstand me: Emacs _can_ display what icomplete-vertical and
> similar features ask it, it just cannot do that well, and the results
> are not pretty.
>
I honestly don't understand why you consider that vertical icomplete is
"not pretty", even more so as you seem to consider at the same time that
Emacs' handling of emails and web pages is okay. IMO, Emacs' rendering of
HTML in emails and on web pages is definitely not pretty. IMO again,
displaying completion candidates in the minibuffer is pretty enough, at
least I don't see why it would be fundamentally less pretty for a newcomer
than, say, the completion candidates displayed by Chromium or Visual
Studio.
>
> If you read the code that is involved, the reasons are acutely evident,
> and it is important for me to make these conclusions public and known to
> all, because many people believe there's no limit to what one can do
> with Emacs display features. Well, there is.
>
There are limits, of course, but the feature that is requested is well
within the limits of what Emacs can do. And AFAIU implementing a proper
vertical icomplete/ido with a few more features similar to those of Ivy is
also within the limits of what Emacs can do.
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Thread overview: 126+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-11-05 23:10 [PATCH] Support "\n" in icomplete-separator Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-05 23:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-06 0:04 ` Ergus
2020-11-06 2:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-06 8:42 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-06 10:26 ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-05 23:57 ` Ergus
2020-11-06 8:43 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-06 12:36 ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-06 15:15 ` Ergus
2020-11-08 20:14 ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-08 20:30 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-08 20:36 ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-09 3:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-09 21:04 ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-10 15:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-10 17:18 ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-10 18:18 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11 9:41 ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-10 18:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-10 19:17 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-10 19:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-10 20:00 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-10 21:09 ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-11 8:27 ` martin rudalics
2020-11-11 9:07 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11 15:57 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-11 9:38 ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-11 10:01 ` martin rudalics
2020-11-11 10:21 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11 10:53 ` martin rudalics
2020-11-11 11:22 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11 15:49 ` martin rudalics
2020-11-11 15:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-11 16:16 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-11 17:06 ` martin rudalics
2020-11-11 17:28 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11 16:05 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11 17:06 ` martin rudalics
2020-11-11 17:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-11 17:37 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11 15:32 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-11 15:26 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-11 16:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-11 17:12 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11 17:19 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-11-11 17:44 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11 17:50 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-11-11 18:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-11 18:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-11 18:39 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions. [this message]
2020-11-11 20:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-11 20:37 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11 21:55 ` Ergus
2020-11-11 22:26 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-11 22:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-12 3:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-12 8:50 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-12 9:13 ` on helm substantial differences - " Jean Louis
2020-11-12 9:20 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-12 10:25 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-12 10:54 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-12 11:33 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-12 14:40 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-12 17:46 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-12 14:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-12 17:49 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-12 17:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-12 14:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-12 15:05 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-12 15:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-12 16:10 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-12 17:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-13 12:40 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-13 12:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-13 13:36 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-13 13:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-13 15:09 ` Stephen Berman
2020-11-13 16:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-13 17:31 ` Stephen Berman
2020-11-16 10:24 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-16 17:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-17 11:51 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-12 7:58 ` martin rudalics
2020-11-12 8:52 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-12 14:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-12 12:39 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-11-12 19:31 ` Howard Melman
2020-11-12 20:02 ` ivy-posframe review - " Jean Louis
2020-11-11 14:09 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-11 15:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-11 16:05 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-11 18:52 ` Drew Adams
2020-11-11 19:10 ` martin rudalics
2020-11-11 19:49 ` Drew Adams
2020-11-12 7:58 ` martin rudalics
2020-11-11 19:51 ` Drew Adams
2020-11-11 16:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-12 22:51 ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-13 8:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-13 12:56 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-13 13:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-13 13:44 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-13 13:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-16 10:25 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-16 17:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-16 17:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-16 18:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-17 11:51 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-17 14:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-13 19:27 ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-17 8:59 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-13 20:18 ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-14 6:17 ` Ergus
2020-11-14 20:36 ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-15 2:39 ` Ergus
2020-11-15 19:32 ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-10 20:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-06 5:52 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-06 12:40 ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-06 12:59 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-08 20:28 ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-08 20:50 ` Jean Louis
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