From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings via "Emacs development discussions." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Where to show message output while inputting [was: New multi-command facility displays in the wrong echo area] Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 14:58:23 +0000 Message-ID: References: <5f7af512-7951-4e10-a8a1-4f5d07ee6cda@default> <95909e9d-07d8-41de-96a5-fe13cbec3131@default> <83y2k8zxb8.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Gregory Heytings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3482"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Alpine 2.22 (NEB 394 2020-01-19) Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, acm@muc.de, juri@linkov.net, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 14 17:04:15 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kSiK7-0000oD-3l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 17:04:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53912 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kSiK6-0000MY-4W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 11:04:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43190) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kSiEe-0003sx-0V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 10:58:36 -0400 Original-Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:64022) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kSiEb-0000wV-AM; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 10:58:35 -0400 Original-Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:ghe@faeroes.freeshell.org [205.166.94.9]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 09EEwQsl004149 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Wed, 14 Oct 2020 14:58:26 GMT Original-Received: (from ghe@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) id 09EEwn5f002029; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 14:58:49 GMT In-Reply-To: <83y2k8zxb8.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=205.166.94.24; envelope-from=ghe@sdf.org; helo=mx.sdf.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/14 10:58:30 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = ??? X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257640 Archived-At: >>> Shifting existing stuff around could be distracting or annoying for >>> some users. >> >> It's what eldoc already does for a similar situation, and I haven't >> seen complaints about this. IMO it's elegant to solve that problem in >> that way. > > Eldoc's purpose is different from the purpose of displaying echo-area > messages. For example, nothing significantly bad can happen if you miss > the Eldoc's hints, but the same is not true for some important echo-area > messages. > AFAICS you can't miss them with the proposed solution: they are displayed on the left of the mode-line, with a different background and foreground. The echo-are messages are IMO much more visible there than when they are placed at EOB in the minibuffer between brackets. > > And I think using the mode line for Isearch would be jarring. > Remember that such cases will remain exceptional: they will happen only when the minibuffer is active on the current frame. I've been using this for a day now, enabling that exceptional behavior from time to time, and don't find it troubling.