From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings via "Emacs development discussions." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Where to show message output while inputting [was: New multi-command facility displays in the wrong echo area] Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 21:55:34 +0000 Message-ID: References: <5f7af512-7951-4e10-a8a1-4f5d07ee6cda@default> <95909e9d-07d8-41de-96a5-fe13cbec3131@default> <2bedd6ef-c49a-4e0e-b0e4-4e3c6b8b79ce@default> Reply-To: Gregory Heytings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3431"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Alpine 2.22 (NEB 394 2020-01-19) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , acm@muc.de, juri@linkov.net, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 13 23:56:39 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kSSHd-0000mZ-Jg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 23:56:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55974 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kSSHc-0003bQ-Mi for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 17:56:36 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50642) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kSSGm-00037W-Nx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 17:55:44 -0400 Original-Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:49295) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kSSGi-0003hY-AL; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 17:55:43 -0400 Original-Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:ghe@faeroes.freeshell.org [205.166.94.9]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 09DLtaRt026536 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Tue, 13 Oct 2020 21:55:37 GMT Original-Received: (from ghe@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) id 09DLtxEV021238; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 21:55:59 GMT In-Reply-To: <2bedd6ef-c49a-4e0e-b0e4-4e3c6b8b79ce@default> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=205.166.94.24; envelope-from=ghe@sdf.org; helo=mx.sdf.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/13 15:22:16 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = ??? X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257595 Archived-At: > > But sure, if Emacs covers your entire display, and if there's nothing > that you're willing to obscure (whitespace, menu-bar, tool-bar, frame > title, mode-line, buffer text,...) then yeah, something will be > obscured. > Full-screen Emacs is (I believe) very common nowadays. > > The only purely full-measure is to dedicate an area for the output. > That has advantages but also the disadvantage of losing real estate for > the frequent periods when nothing's being output. > So this full-measure is still a half-measure ;-) > > More to the point, it's an optional mode. Those (like me) who don't > want it on all the time turn it off, and don't need to complain > anywhere. > The set-message-function is also optional, you can turn it off easily. And in fact with it you could create something like what you want: a separate frame with a buffer in which set-message-function would put messages. A first attempt: (progn (select-frame (make-frame '((minibuffer . nil) (name . "Drew's Echo Area")))) (set-frame-height nil 1) (switch-to-buffer " *Drew's Echo Area") (setq-local mode-line-format nil) (setq cursor-in-non-selected-windows nil)) (defun set-minibuffer-message (message) (with-current-buffer (get-buffer " *Drew's Echo Area") (erase-buffer) (insert message)) t)