From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings via "Emacs development discussions." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: How to make Emacs popular again. Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2020 22:41:17 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20200926163008.GS1349@protected.rcdrun.com> <83blhc7f4x.fsf@gnu.org> <673405e1-0df4-4655-a5e6-4551f2565e91@default> <1aef473c-c2de-4257-a187-3bd580e01834@default> Reply-To: Gregory Heytings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="13741"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Alpine 2.22 (NEB 394 2020-01-19) Cc: Stefan Monnier , Eli Zaretskii , bobnewell@bobnewell.net, rms@gnu.org, rpluim@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, joaotavora@gmail.com, =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Daniel_Mart=EDn?= To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 09 00:42:45 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kQecX-0003Ty-EG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 09 Oct 2020 00:42:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53990 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kQecW-0005Tk-Eb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 08 Oct 2020 18:42:44 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42690) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kQebP-00052t-R4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Oct 2020 18:41:35 -0400 Original-Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:56909) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kQebM-0006Mk-CX; Thu, 08 Oct 2020 18:41:35 -0400 Original-Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:ghe@otaku.sdf.org [205.166.94.8]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 098MfJ6w002459 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Thu, 8 Oct 2020 22:41:20 GMT Original-Received: (from ghe@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) id 098MffMa011620; Thu, 8 Oct 2020 22:41:41 GMT In-Reply-To: <1aef473c-c2de-4257-a187-3bd580e01834@default> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=205.166.94.24; envelope-from=ghe@sdf.org; helo=mx.sdf.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/08 15:58:48 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = ??? X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257236 Archived-At: >>>> I think something like: >>>> >>>> Also documented in the >Emacs user's manual<. >>>> Also documented in the >ELisp programmer's reference<. >>>> >>>> should be clear enough (where >...< is meant to delimit the hyperlink). >>> >>> That won't help with functions (vars, faces, etc.) covered in other >>> manuals: CL, Tramp, Org, Dired-X, Calc, Ediff, etc. >> >> Why not? I'd expect them to appear as things like: >> >> Also documented in >Calc's manual<. > > I meant that it won't help now (as is, with `Info-lookup'). > > Yes, links to such manuals would help. > > But if we are going to do this for more, or all, names referred to in > *Help*, and not just for the name that's the subject of the *Help*, then > "Also documented in..." would become a real drag. > I don't think anyone here is proposing to do this.