From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings via "Emacs development discussions." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Interactive guide for new users Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 14:17:34 +0000 Message-ID: References: <83lfhjkq0r.fsf@gnu.org> <8620B5CD-CA92-46BF-80A8-DBE7052F4CA6@gmail.com> <83d02re2uk.fsf@gnu.org> <838sdfdzxo.fsf@gnu.org> <20200912121603.bsp53vgfwj3y62in@Ergus> <831rj7dvhg.fsf@gnu.org> <20200912131802.fiowctrzc2yx4ozu@Ergus> <83y2lfcdq2.fsf@gnu.org> <83d02pdb7b.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Gregory Heytings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29604"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Alpine 2.22 (NEB 394 2020-01-19) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 14 16:58:33 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kHpw9-0007Zu-Kf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2020 16:58:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52854 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kHpw8-00019I-Lg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2020 10:58:32 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50308) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kHpIg-0001Nq-No for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2020 10:17:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:53317) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kHpId-0000gQ-J7; Mon, 14 Sep 2020 10:17:46 -0400 Original-Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:ghe@faeroes.freeshell.org [205.166.94.9]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 08EEHacV020439 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Mon, 14 Sep 2020 14:17:36 GMT Original-Received: (from ghe@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) id 08EEHnHX013992; Mon, 14 Sep 2020 14:17:49 GMT In-Reply-To: <83d02pdb7b.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=205.166.94.24; envelope-from=ghe@sdf.org; helo=mx.sdf.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/14 10:17:40 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = ??? X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255646 Archived-At: >> To my knowledge, if we want to come close to what those other editors >> show, our current best bet is icomplete-vertical (or something similar >> to it) PLUS a packages that moves the minibuffer to either the center >> or the top of the frame (or makes it seem live the minibuffer has been >> moved, of course). > > Those have an annoying misfeature of causing jumps in the window above > the minibuffer. > > Other possibilities exist, but my point is that if we want to offer a > better completion to make it easier for newcomers who expect something > like that, we should work on a completion style that they expect, or > something very similar, and icomplete-mode isn't. > I never noticed that misfeature before you mentioned it, and I agree with you that it could surprise newcomers. However, with (setq scroll-conservatively 101), which is one of the suggested options in the proposal, its effect is much more limited, and I believe newcomers would not be surprised anymore.