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Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "modern" colors Re: Changes for emacs 28 Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 14:26:01 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20200909165723.kdnwicwvplmezusr@Ergus> <20200910102000.2t6tsju745xutg7u@Ergus> <20200910110832.ko66gqnqo4l664d6@Ergus> <20200911134225.zhnlq7cdhmu2iraj@Ergus> <20200911221435.go7b5kz2zcvxp2ft@Ergus> <20200912153723.ymnq3i5pugqf7lsy@Ergus> <87r1r6j488.fsf@gmail.com> <87o8maj1kh.fsf@gmail.com> <874ko2t8be.fsf@gkayaalp.com> <87zh5urnfa.fsf@gkayaalp.com> Reply-To: Gregory Heytings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="-212064758-1191568880-1600005462=:11736" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24918"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Alpine 2.22 (NEB 394 2020-01-19) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?UTF-8?Q?G=C3=B6ktu=C4=9F_Kayaalp?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 13 16:26:58 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kHSy2-0006MB-2h for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 16:26:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50000 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kHSy1-0004yg-4U for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 10:26:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38052) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kHSxX-0004XQ-F4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 10:26:27 -0400 Original-Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:49242) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kHSxH-0005Ho-KS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 10:26:27 -0400 Original-Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:ghe@faeroes.freeshell.org [205.166.94.9]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 08DEQ4or026125 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Sun, 13 Sep 2020 14:26:04 GMT Original-Received: (from ghe@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) id 08DEQHIH012919; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 14:26:17 GMT In-Reply-To: <87zh5urnfa.fsf@gkayaalp.com> Content-ID: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=205.166.94.24; envelope-from=ghe@sdf.org; helo=mx.sdf.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/13 10:26:10 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = ??? 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The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---212064758-1191568880-1600005462=:11736 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-7; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-ID: > > I don=A2t know if (and don=A2t think that--, really) you mean it but your= =20 > replies come off as rather agressive. > That was not my intention. I've just reread what I wrote, and I don't see= =20 what you find "rather agressive". Though I admit that I was irritated by= =20 your "Someone who can't spare more than three minutes to research a tool=20 that they may end up using for a life time for the majority of their=20 workday is IMHO not a kind of user we should strive to support." >>> And it=A2s solved as easily as M-x load-theme RET modus-vivendi RET pos= t=20 >>> Emacs 28 (or some point-release of 27 maybe?), or today with a simple= =20 >>> package install. > >> Do you realize that what you write amounts to "In software A, B, C and= =20 >> D, to get what you want, click on this button. In software E, to get=20 >> what you want, it's very easy, just type "Zk1v31!*". For them it's=20 >> almost like a secret keystroke for an easter egg in a game. How is a=20 >> new user supposed to know that they should type M-x load-theme (or M-x= =20 >> customize-themes)? There is not even a menu entry for this (AFAICS). > > I don=A2t realise such thing. What I realise is, when I open VS Code, I= =20 > don=A2t see an option to change the theme in the menus. Instead, I have t= o=20 > find preferences (or learn that C-, opens it), notice that it=A2s=20 > searchable, search for =A1theme=A2 (and also: know that it=A2s theme, not= =20 > colourcheme or similar), and select a theme. I don=A2t see how that=A2s= =20 > easier, especially when we have in the menu bar "Options > Customize=20 > Emacs > Custom Themes", and M-x customize-themes RET. It=A2s the same=20 > thing, rendered differently. And in this particular instance Emacs is=20 > better at it already. > Please look again. When you open VS Code for the first time, you have a=20 big "Welcome" tab opened. It contains four sections. One of them is=20 "Customize", and has three big buttons. The third one is "Color theme". Another section is "Help", with pointers to a cheatsheet, introductory=20 videos, and so forth. This "Welcome" tab will be shown every time you start VS Code, until you=20 untick "Show welcome page on startup". The proposal I sent on this list yesterday is to do something like this=20 for Emacs. ---212064758-1191568880-1600005462=:11736--