From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings via "Emacs development discussions." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "modern" colors Re: Changes for emacs 28 Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 09:04:10 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20200909165723.kdnwicwvplmezusr@Ergus> <20200910102000.2t6tsju745xutg7u@Ergus> <20200910110832.ko66gqnqo4l664d6@Ergus> <20200911134225.zhnlq7cdhmu2iraj@Ergus> <20200911221435.go7b5kz2zcvxp2ft@Ergus> <20200912153723.ymnq3i5pugqf7lsy@Ergus> <87r1r6j488.fsf@gmail.com> <87o8maj1kh.fsf@gmail.com> <874ko2t8be.fsf@gkayaalp.com> Reply-To: Gregory Heytings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="-212064758-267765105-1599987191=:25581" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29040"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Alpine 2.22 (NEB 394 2020-01-19) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?UTF-8?Q?G=C3=B6ktu=C4=9F_Kayaalp?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 13 11:05:03 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kHNwV-0007Qv-BO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 11:05:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50888 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kHNwU-0004qf-BY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 05:05:02 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50362) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kHNvs-0004Qw-Qp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 05:04:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:50037) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kHNvq-0004T3-C5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 05:04:24 -0400 Original-Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:ghe@faeroes.freeshell.org [205.166.94.9]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 08D94E3f004200 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Sun, 13 Sep 2020 09:04:14 GMT Original-Received: (from ghe@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) id 08D94PfS020368; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 09:04:25 GMT In-Reply-To: <874ko2t8be.fsf@gkayaalp.com> Content-ID: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=205.166.94.24; envelope-from=ghe@sdf.org; helo=mx.sdf.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/13 03:14:28 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = ??? X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255445 Archived-At: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---212064758-267765105-1599987191=:25581 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-7; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-ID: > > On a subjective note I think we=A2re exaggerating the role of Emacs=A2 lo= oks=20 > with regards to how it affects newcomers. > Given the insane length of this thread (about 1000 emails so far), I think= =20 not. Of course it's only "a very little, opinionated sample of users" as= =20 you write, but one user who takes the time to come here and to explain and= =20 defend their viewpoint is worth thousands other users who think the same=20 but do not want to waste their time, and just switch to another editor. > > And it=A2s solved as easily as M-x load-theme RET modus-vivendi RET post= =20 > Emacs 28 (or some point-release of 27 maybe?), or today with a simple=20 > package install. > Do you realize that what you write amounts to "In software A, B, C and D,= =20 to get what you want, click on this button. In software E, to get what=20 you want, it's very easy, just type "Zk1v31!*". For them it's almost like= =20 a secret keystroke for an easter egg in a game. How is a new user=20 supposed to know that they should type M-x load-theme (or M-x=20 customize-themes)? There is not even a menu entry for this (AFAICS). ---212064758-267765105-1599987191=:25581--