From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings via "Emacs development discussions." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Interactive guide for new users (was: Re: Gather a list of confusions beginner tend to have) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 14:38:22 +0000 Message-ID: References: <875z8ortot.fsf@gkayaalp.com> <83lfhjkq0r.fsf@gnu.org> <8620B5CD-CA92-46BF-80A8-DBE7052F4CA6@gmail.com> <32292E31-1603-4EF9-B772-EBD378C32F76@gmail.com> Reply-To: Gregory Heytings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="-212064758-1409145774-1599833905=:27407" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18782"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Alpine 2.22 (NEB 394 2020-01-19) Cc: emacs-devel To: Yuan Fu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 11 16:39:15 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kGkCp-0004nA-6y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 16:39:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54428 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGkCo-0005nz-8Z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:39:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56576) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGkCA-0004wj-1d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:38:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:61023) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGkC6-0005X8-GX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:38:33 -0400 Original-Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:ghe@faeroes.freeshell.org [205.166.94.9]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 08BEcO71002530 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Fri, 11 Sep 2020 14:38:25 GMT Original-Received: (from ghe@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) id 08BEcZPw002567; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 14:38:35 GMT In-Reply-To: <32292E31-1603-4EF9-B772-EBD378C32F76@gmail.com> Content-ID: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=205.166.94.24; envelope-from=ghe@sdf.org; helo=mx.sdf.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/11 09:22:45 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = ??? X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255188 Archived-At: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---212064758-1409145774-1599833905=:27407 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-ID: > >> And I still think that a short "guided tour" would be useful at the=20 >> end: what/where is the minibuffer and what is its purpose, what does=20 >> the mode-line contain, how to find help (here I would list C-h m, C-h=20 >> p, C-h k / C-h w / C-h a, C-h l, C-h ?), =E2=80=A6 > > I agree, the current tutorial is a bit verbose (not that I didn=E2=80=99t= read=20 > it when I started using Emacs, but=E2=80=A6). A shorter tutorial introduc= ing the=20 > most important bindings and operations would be helpful (I imagine). > It should not just be "shorter", it should be *really* short. I've just=20 read it again, for a new user it is almost useless. I think the following= =20 two keybindings would suffice: "C-x 1" and "C-g". And perhaps the four=20 following ones to give the new user a sense of what using C-=20 and M- is: "M-f and M-b", "C-a and C-e". Note that these four= =20 keybindings are also on M-left and M-right and home and end, which is what= =20 a new user would use (and it would work). I would perhaps also add "M-%", which is very useful and not documented in= =20 the tutorial. All this could be done in two screens I think. ---212064758-1409145774-1599833905=:27407--