From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings via "Emacs development discussions." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changes for emacs 28 Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2020 15:37:58 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20200906133719.cu6yaldvenxubcqq@Ergus> <83lfhnnew7.fsf@gnu.org> <20200906163418.3p2wuygb4osm76wa@Ergus> <20200906203807.u237c3h22oxwtmba@Ergus> <87tuwabm5a.fsf@gnus.org> <83a6y2nwo1.fsf@gnu.org> <87sgbt939z.fsf@gnus.org> <20200907140332.ixzkgly2o5e7fmmb@Ergus> Reply-To: Gregory Heytings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="9166"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Alpine 2.22 (NEB 394 2020-01-19) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ergus Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 07 17:38:47 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kFJEE-0002Gg-N3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 17:38:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47466 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFJED-0003Gm-P4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 11:38:45 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33926) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFJDg-0002RD-OM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 11:38:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:53736) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFJDe-0000QB-6K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 11:38:12 -0400 Original-Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:ghe@faeroes.freeshell.org [205.166.94.9]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 087Fc1Zs005012 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Mon, 7 Sep 2020 15:38:01 GMT Original-Received: (from ghe@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) id 087FcCYL000082; Mon, 7 Sep 2020 15:38:12 GMT In-Reply-To: <20200907140332.ixzkgly2o5e7fmmb@Ergus> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=205.166.94.24; envelope-from=ghe@sdf.org; helo=mx.sdf.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/07 11:23:37 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = ??? X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254653 Archived-At: >>> The defaults of emacs are really, really bad. And making the whole >>> thing like what you get with DOOM Emacs is going to cost you lots of >>> hours reading documentation and experimenting with your configuration. >> >> That's just wrong. If you want Doom Emacs, you just have to type two >> commands: >> >> git clone --depth 1 https://github.com/hlissner/doom-emacs ~/.emacs.d >> >> ~/.emacs.d/bin/doom install >> >> The first commands takes two seconds to complete, the second one about >> five minutes (it downloads and compiles about 200 MB of code, fonts, >> icons, ...). Then you start Emacs, and you're done. That's clearly >> not "lots of hours". > > I think it refers to convert vanilla emacs in a "doomed like" > experience. > I don't understand. The two commands above do exactly that. Or does "convert vanilla emacs in a "doomed like" experience" means "without using Doom Emacs, by doing everything by oneself"? In that case it's not wrong, it is ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as if he had written "it would have taken me more time to develop Emacs by myself than to develop Visual Studio by myself". BTW, I find that many of the defaults of Visual Studio are really bad, and I'm pretty sure that making the whole thing like what you get with vanilla Emacs would cost me lots of hours. Can I conclude something from this? Clearly not.