From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings via "Emacs development discussions." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changes for emacs 28 Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2020 21:30:03 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20200906133719.cu6yaldvenxubcqq.ref@Ergus> <20200906133719.cu6yaldvenxubcqq@Ergus> <83lfhnnew7.fsf@gnu.org> <20200906163418.3p2wuygb4osm76wa@Ergus> <20200906203807.u237c3h22oxwtmba@Ergus> Reply-To: Gregory Heytings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36773"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Alpine 2.22 (NEB 394 2020-01-19) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 06 23:31:19 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kF2Fr-0009T6-8h for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2020 23:31:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37684 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kF2Fq-00065q-A3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2020 17:31:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53734) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kF2Eu-0005Rs-Pi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2020 17:30:20 -0400 Original-Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:63376) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kF2Eq-0005CF-97 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2020 17:30:18 -0400 Original-Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:ghe@faeroes.freeshell.org [205.166.94.9]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 086LU6pS012207 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Sun, 6 Sep 2020 21:30:06 GMT Original-Received: (from ghe@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) id 086LUHNe015295; Sun, 6 Sep 2020 21:30:17 GMT In-Reply-To: <20200906203807.u237c3h22oxwtmba@Ergus> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=205.166.94.24; envelope-from=ghe@sdf.org; helo=mx.sdf.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/06 16:49:28 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = ??? X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254588 Archived-At: Ergus: > > There actually are serious market studies, company studies, application > studies, ergonomic studies supporting dark mode. > I'd like to see some of these studies. "Dark mode" goes against what so many people have been doing for centuries (think of books for example) that I'm really curious to see why they were wrong. > > They don't become experienced if they don't enter long enough and go for > any other alternative because is simpler, prettier, or just works out of > the box. > Each software has its audience. Some are targeted at advanced users, others at a more general audience. Word processors work out of the box with all the nice features you describe, yet LaTeX is still there (and was already there before all of them existed). Visual Basic and each have some of the features you describe, yet C is still there (and was there before they existed). And so forth. > > Go for Atom, VSCode, Sublime Text and see what the users wants there. > There are very active forums and plenty of packages because these > editors has 10 times more users than emacs with just 2 or 3 years of > existence. > Yet Emacs is one of the oldest computer programs still in use. And not all its users are 60-year old people.