From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings via "Emacs development discussions." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Making GNUS continue to work with Gmail Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 09:44:16 +0000 Message-ID: References: <875z9p5hnc.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87364pbkn0.fsf@gnus.org> <87lfihe0zf.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <874kp55l8t.fsf@gnus.org> Reply-To: Gregory Heytings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5431"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (NEB 202 2017-01-01) Cc: Arthur Miller , Richard Stallman To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 22 11:45:00 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1k9Q56-0001IG-Ga for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 11:45:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54482 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k9Q55-00081a-G5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 05:44:59 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42934) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k9Q4c-0007bM-Ly for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 05:44:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:51532) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k9Q4a-0007kl-D6; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 05:44:30 -0400 Original-Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:ghe@faeroes.freeshell.org [205.166.94.9]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 07M9iJms023905 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Sat, 22 Aug 2020 09:44:19 GMT Original-Received: (from ghe@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) id 07M9iJ4s027489; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 09:44:19 GMT In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=205.166.94.24; envelope-from=ghe@sdf.org; helo=mx.sdf.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/08/22 05:44:23 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = ??? X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254106 Archived-At: > > Just as a curiosa: have you guys thought about asking Google for > help/clarification? Can't FSF send a mail to Google lawyers/devs and ask > what has to be done get FSF/GNU software work with Google services? Of > course there is no sure that Google will answer in any meaningful way if > at all, but have you tried? > Yes, that's what I and others suggested some two weeks ago. (I also provided a contact at Google.) OTOH, it's already clear that Google will not adapt their terms to please the GNU Project or the FSF. Apple, Microsoft, Thunderbird, Kmail, Mutt, and so forth are all subjected to those same terms. Gregory