From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Tino Calancha Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: VC menu ? 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[133.137.139.222]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 73sm5125469pgf.41.2017.07.07.06.31.28 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 07 Jul 2017 06:31:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Original-From: Tino Calancha X-X-Sender: calancha@calancha-pc In-Reply-To: <87y3s1ll4o.fsf@lifelogs.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c05::243 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:216272 Archived-At: On Thu, 6 Jul 2017, Ted Zlatanov wrote: > On Thu, 06 Jul 2017 07:27:12 -0400 Mark Oteiza wrote: > > MO> Sarcasm aside, if you had ever flipped through the Emacs manual or > MO> scrolled through a list of keybindings, you would have been aware of VC. > > I think menu-driven UI discovery is fun and an essential part of the GUI > experience. We should not expect users to be diligent readers[1]. IMO, Emacs newcommer's suggestions on the menu are an important input. I must admit that i have the following in my config file...: (when (fboundp 'menu-bar-mode) (menu-bar-mode -1)) ... So please take my opinion on this topic with a grain of salt. Certainly, as Kaushal Modi, i use completion (Icicles) to explore the Emacs commands. That said, the menu is a valuable source of discoverability source as well. I must agree with Jean-Christophe that VC might occupy a more prominent place than games. I bet most of Emacs users are more interested in VC than in the games. PD: I also would like thanks Jean for open interesting threads causing many debate.