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From: Tino Calancha <tino.calancha@gmail.com>
To: "T.V Raman" <raman@google.com>
Cc: cpitclaudel@gmail.com, Tino Calancha <tino.calancha@gmail.com>,
	vibhavp@gmail.com, Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
	monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, eliz@gnu.org,
	Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Subject: defsubst VS defun or defmacro  [was RE: Compiled code in Emacs-26 will fail in Emacs-25 if use pcase]
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2017 11:06:53 +0900 (JST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1702241055490.8153@calancha-pc> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <22703.10479.123157.339839@retriever.mtv.corp.google.com>

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On Thu, 23 Feb 2017, T.V Raman wrote:

> Please separate your personal opinion from fact. And asserting that
> using defsubst is "misguided "  is not a useful way of carrying on a
> conversation.
>
> Drew Adams writes:
> > > Really? What should we be using, and when was defsubst deprecated?
> > > defun or defmacro
> > It has not been deprecated.
> > I was expressing my opinion: It's rarely, if ever, needed,
> > and misguided uses of it instead of defun are bothersome.

Hi Raman,
I guess Drew meant that defsubst makes debugging harder.  It also 
complicates advising.  I know he does extensively use of advising
in his own libraries.

The manual mention some disadvantages on using defsubst
in `(elisp) inline functions':

"Also, inline functions do not behave well with respect to debugging,
tracing, and advising (*note Advising Functions::).  Since ease of
debugging and the flexibility of redefining functions are important
features of Emacs, you should not make a function inline, even if it’s
small, unless its speed is really crucial, and you’ve timed the code to
verify that using ‘defun’ actually has performance problems."

I find worth to read the whole node.  I used to be confused about when
to use (to not) defsubst.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-02-24  2:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-02-06 17:50 [PATCH]: Add new bytecode op `switch' for implementing branch tables Vibhav Pant
2017-02-06 18:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-02-07  8:45   ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-07 14:41     ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]       ` <CA+T2Sh3N09WGoHtNL3BbptsKA1ZdwWedTNDd0vmeBe0fTO5a1g@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]         ` <CA+T2Sh2sa6=WOvyePzL_ACR0Nw=jTnZze_xXFcvL=22OURP=ZA@mail.gmail.com>
2017-02-07 15:21           ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-07 13:50   ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-07 15:56     ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-02-08 13:38       ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-08 16:21         ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-08 17:46           ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-09 13:21           ` Stefan Monnier
2017-02-08 17:56         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-02-23  4:35           ` Compiled code in Emacs-26 will fail in Emacs-25 if use pcase [was: Add new bytecode op `switch' for implementing branch tables.] Tino Calancha
2017-02-23  8:36             ` Richard Copley
2017-02-23 10:12               ` Tino Calancha
2022-07-04 12:24               ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-23 13:39             ` Stefan Monnier
2017-02-23 14:33               ` Kaushal Modi
2017-02-23 15:10                 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-07-02 20:31                   ` Robert Weiner
2022-07-02 21:28                     ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]               ` <CA+T2Sh29UhuNrhRZG=PPQbYYHtONXwyb8dX4rBVLmwdORLELhg@mail.gmail.com>
2017-02-23 17:50                 ` Vibhav Pant
2017-04-11 17:40               ` Compiled code in Emacs-26 will fail in Emacs-25 if use pcase Lars Brinkhoff
2017-02-23 16:15             ` Compiled code in Emacs-26 will fail in Emacs-25 if use pcase [was: Add new bytecode op `switch' for implementing branch tables.] raman
2017-02-23 17:24               ` Drew Adams
2017-02-23 17:50                 ` T.V Raman
2017-02-23 18:02                   ` Drew Adams
2017-02-23 18:24                     ` T.V Raman
2017-02-23 19:00                       ` Drew Adams
2017-02-24  2:06                       ` Tino Calancha [this message]
2017-02-24  3:14                         ` defsubst VS defun or defmacro [was RE: Compiled code in Emacs-26 will fail in Emacs-25 if use pcase] Eric Abrahamsen
2017-02-24  3:56                           ` raman
2017-02-24  4:20                             ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-02-24  3:51                         ` raman
2017-02-09 17:32         ` [PATCH]: Add new bytecode op `switch' for implementing branch tables Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-02-09 19:15         ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-02-10  4:12           ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-10  4:17             ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-02-10  5:03               ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-10  6:07                 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-02-10 13:51                   ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-10 15:12                     ` Stefan Monnier
2017-02-10 17:59                       ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-10 18:25                         ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-10 20:47                           ` Paul Eggert
2017-02-10 20:58                             ` Stefan Monnier
2017-02-11 15:07                             ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-12  3:10                               ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-13  7:18                                 ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-09 16:37       ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-06 19:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-02-07 14:26   ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-07 16:14     ` Eli Zaretskii

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