From: Tino Calancha <tino.calancha@gmail.com>
To: "T.V Raman" <raman@google.com>
Cc: cpitclaudel@gmail.com, Tino Calancha <tino.calancha@gmail.com>,
vibhavp@gmail.com, Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, eliz@gnu.org,
Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Subject: defsubst VS defun or defmacro [was RE: Compiled code in Emacs-26 will fail in Emacs-25 if use pcase]
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2017 11:06:53 +0900 (JST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1702241055490.8153@calancha-pc> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <22703.10479.123157.339839@retriever.mtv.corp.google.com>
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On Thu, 23 Feb 2017, T.V Raman wrote:
> Please separate your personal opinion from fact. And asserting that
> using defsubst is "misguided " is not a useful way of carrying on a
> conversation.
>
> Drew Adams writes:
> > > Really? What should we be using, and when was defsubst deprecated?
> > > defun or defmacro
> > It has not been deprecated.
> > I was expressing my opinion: It's rarely, if ever, needed,
> > and misguided uses of it instead of defun are bothersome.
Hi Raman,
I guess Drew meant that defsubst makes debugging harder. It also
complicates advising. I know he does extensively use of advising
in his own libraries.
The manual mention some disadvantages on using defsubst
in `(elisp) inline functions':
"Also, inline functions do not behave well with respect to debugging,
tracing, and advising (*note Advising Functions::). Since ease of
debugging and the flexibility of redefining functions are important
features of Emacs, you should not make a function inline, even if it’s
small, unless its speed is really crucial, and you’ve timed the code to
verify that using ‘defun’ actually has performance problems."
I find worth to read the whole node. I used to be confused about when
to use (to not) defsubst.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-02-24 2:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-02-06 17:50 [PATCH]: Add new bytecode op `switch' for implementing branch tables Vibhav Pant
2017-02-06 18:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-02-07 8:45 ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-07 14:41 ` Stefan Monnier
[not found] ` <CA+T2Sh3N09WGoHtNL3BbptsKA1ZdwWedTNDd0vmeBe0fTO5a1g@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` <CA+T2Sh2sa6=WOvyePzL_ACR0Nw=jTnZze_xXFcvL=22OURP=ZA@mail.gmail.com>
2017-02-07 15:21 ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-07 13:50 ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-07 15:56 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-02-08 13:38 ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-08 16:21 ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-08 17:46 ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-09 13:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-02-08 17:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-02-23 4:35 ` Compiled code in Emacs-26 will fail in Emacs-25 if use pcase [was: Add new bytecode op `switch' for implementing branch tables.] Tino Calancha
2017-02-23 8:36 ` Richard Copley
2017-02-23 10:12 ` Tino Calancha
2022-07-04 12:24 ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-23 13:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-02-23 14:33 ` Kaushal Modi
2017-02-23 15:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-07-02 20:31 ` Robert Weiner
2022-07-02 21:28 ` Stefan Monnier
[not found] ` <CA+T2Sh29UhuNrhRZG=PPQbYYHtONXwyb8dX4rBVLmwdORLELhg@mail.gmail.com>
2017-02-23 17:50 ` Vibhav Pant
2017-04-11 17:40 ` Compiled code in Emacs-26 will fail in Emacs-25 if use pcase Lars Brinkhoff
2017-02-23 16:15 ` Compiled code in Emacs-26 will fail in Emacs-25 if use pcase [was: Add new bytecode op `switch' for implementing branch tables.] raman
2017-02-23 17:24 ` Drew Adams
2017-02-23 17:50 ` T.V Raman
2017-02-23 18:02 ` Drew Adams
2017-02-23 18:24 ` T.V Raman
2017-02-23 19:00 ` Drew Adams
2017-02-24 2:06 ` Tino Calancha [this message]
2017-02-24 3:14 ` defsubst VS defun or defmacro [was RE: Compiled code in Emacs-26 will fail in Emacs-25 if use pcase] Eric Abrahamsen
2017-02-24 3:56 ` raman
2017-02-24 4:20 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-02-24 3:51 ` raman
2017-02-09 17:32 ` [PATCH]: Add new bytecode op `switch' for implementing branch tables Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-02-09 19:15 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-02-10 4:12 ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-10 4:17 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-02-10 5:03 ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-10 6:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-02-10 13:51 ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-10 15:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-02-10 17:59 ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-10 18:25 ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-10 20:47 ` Paul Eggert
2017-02-10 20:58 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-02-11 15:07 ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-12 3:10 ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-13 7:18 ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-09 16:37 ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-06 19:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-02-07 14:26 ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-07 16:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
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