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[220.100.92.57]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c64sm22772200pfa.51.2016.09.25.02.06.23 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 25 Sep 2016 02:06:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Original-From: Tino Calancha X-X-Sender: calancha@calancha-pc In-Reply-To: <956c08c7-abd8-4cf5-aa70-bcd85f8f3499@default> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.220.53 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:207777 Archived-At: On Sat, 24 Sep 2016, Drew Adams wrote: >> The prefix was obviously never >> intented to be used with this command. The only intented use of the >> second argument was the its caller, dired-flag-extension. That is easy >> to prove, because before commit 736b582 it wasn't even documented in the >> doc string. > > Yes. More importantly, we can do what we think is best. > > What do we really need? > > 1. We need for `dired-flag-extension' to work. With the current > implementation that means calling `dired-mark-extension' with > a `D' mark. Right. > 2. We need a command for changing the mark character that is used > for the currently marked files. We have that: `* c' > (`dired-change-marks'). Right. > 3. We need a command to mark files that have a given extension. > We have that: `* .' (`dired-mark-extension'). Right. > 4. We need a command to unmark files that have a given extension. > We do NOT have this. Unfortunately not. We could if my patch in bug#24518 would being applied. > 5. Do we need a command that marks files that have a given > extension and prompts you for which mark character to use? > This is currently provided by `* .' with a prefix arg. No at all. My patch at bug#24518 is not a fast crazy idea. It is the result of years of using Dired and reading its souce: using its amazing marking capabilities heavily. That patch would deserve much more attention that just being discarded after a few hours of e-mail communication. Why so rush to close that bug report? *) It could be a misunderstanding: i said that we could fix it in the way it has being done, but that i don't wanted to be the author of the commit. That could be understood as if i was OK with that fix. Let me clarify that words. It was a way to say that i was against that solution. IMO, after applying that patch Dired became less consistent, less nice ... nobody really loving Dired would ever applied such patch. Dired is the my #1 reason to use Emacs: commit 5ee56c46 really broke my hearth. In bug#24518 there 3 participants, and 2 were againts the applied fix. Now, in this thread the situation turns out to be: 3-1. *) If it wasn't a misunderstanding, then i am very disappointed. Why not to wait until more people give their feedback? That is not the way we handle the bug reports, at least not what they have taught me. There are many Dired enthusiastic people. I have no doubt if we kept open the bug report we would get more input and find a consensus. That is why i open the this thread. I want to let others the opportunity to give their opinion, and make all together a better Dired, that is, a better Emacs.