From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: E Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Interactive guide for new users Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 23:40:16 +0000 Message-ID: References: <83y2lfcdq2.fsf@gnu.org> <20200913023522.a3iie375xvpv23nx@Ergus> <20200915074027.grftbfkr3tpvthpw@Ergus> Reply-To: E Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20533"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ergus Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 16 01:41:53 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kIKa8-0005Bn-DQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 01:41:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33538 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIKa7-0007r4-Dx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 19:41:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42786) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIKYk-0007MR-2S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 19:40:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-40134.protonmail.ch ([185.70.40.134]:22107) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIKYh-0001ak-V3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 19:40:25 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=pm.me; s=protonmail; t=1600213221; bh=VyD+R7pWfhYz/1mmXBl2Ghe+xae8TdLyJw2OWB9x/7Q=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Reply-To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=B+/9fll0W4MhLTfSv8uOQbF85PeDWXR5qY1bVGRCd3WqoGxVYwLS9LBeXFLFUwTgd bD4HZpXFcVNQEO1U+4QRcNshjgTje9kL21j1BQpe1x/NtZVeJWCO74OP9S9xO+FD/j W2umKSR0MFtAXGwyFhQ+DOYen99tgySxj4i6mUx/CBz8ay6gI6TWCFqwgtMD+TyHJt r2EQxEpaTjWIemmLEkhe6sSvKRtuQC0uulhUuNkaIcL4IA2Psk39gft+MHZQ6aNgnD VkOh7Z4Fnr91hlOy3tXrtyP7R6eULAy8oYe2p9V8svIWcw8Zf5h86RALhhUyAyDaYz 4Mwmq1QYnHLGg== In-Reply-To: <20200915074027.grftbfkr3tpvthpw@Ergus> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.70.40.134; envelope-from=ej32u@pm.me; helo=mail-40134.protonmail.ch X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/15 19:40:22 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255806 Archived-At: On 9/15/20 3:40 AM, Ergus wrote: >=20 > On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 11:42:21PM +0000, E wrote: >> On 9/14/20 7:20 AM, Thibaut Verron wrote: >>> Le=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BDlun. 14 sept. 2020 =C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BD00:11, Gregory= Heytings via Emacs development >>> discussions. > a = =C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BDcrit=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BD: >>> >>> Apart from the vertical presentation (which icomplete will apparen= tly soon >>> have), does ivy have a feature that icomplete does not have?=C3= =AF=C2=BF=C2=BD I can't find >>> one myself, but perhaps I'm missing something. >>> >>> >>> Does icomplete support different actions on the completion? >>> >>> For example, if I want to insert a file name with completion, I can do = C-x C-f >>> (counsel-find-file), use ivy-completion to get the name, then M-o pops = a list >>> of actions and tells me to press i to insert the file I selected. For s= uch an >>> action which I do quite rarely, I find it easier than remember how to i= nvoke >>> insert-file-name (including the name of the actual function). >> >> One option is Embark , by the author= of >> Icomplete Vertical. It can be used to add alternative actions to complet= ion >> frameworks like Icomplete and Selectrum. >> >> > This looks nice but only this is longer than all icomplete itself. I feel like it's not fair to judge Embark by length, since it isn't buildin= g=20 upon many existing features, and comes with several commands already define= d. I=20 don't think that the author would intentionally make the package more=20 complicated than it has to be.