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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:311185 Archived-At: On 29/09/2023 20:36, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 20:20:46 +0300 >> Cc:ams@gnu.org,joaotavora@gmail.com,monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, >> philipk@posteo.net,emacs-devel@gnu.org >> From: Dmitry Gutov >> >> On 29/09/2023 18:20, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >>>> Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 13:21:43 +0300 >>>> Cc:ams@gnu.org,joaotavora@gmail.com,monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, >>>> philipk@posteo.net,emacs-devel@gnu.org >>>> From: Dmitry Gutov >>>> >>>>>> Correction: C-x v v. >>>>> That functionality of "C-x v v" is only available for Git (and >>>>> basically is undocumented), so it's too early to declare victory. >>>> It's available for Git, for Hg (two separate dedicated implementations), >>>> and for the other VCSes too on best-effort basis (see the function >>>> vc-default-checkin-patch). >>> Yes, I found this out by now, thanks. Which makes it even worse that >>> no documentation of "C-x v v" mentions that, anywhere! (And many >>> things that "C-x v v" did for years aren't documented, either, sigh.) >>> >>> We should do better than that. >> We should. But the problem started at the "no feedback" step. >> >> When there is no interest even among the greybeards on this list, why >> spend extra effort advertising something untested? > I'm not sure I follow: the undocumented features I had in mind were > released with Emacs 29.1. So if it was untested, why did we release > it? Same as we do most other new features' interaction with old VCSes (CVS, RCS, SCCS and the rest of the zoo): they had 9 months to "stabilize". FWIW, if nobody's using it, it's not hurting anybody either. Anyway, Juri did test it a little with Bzr, and I - with Hg, before the latter grew a dedicated implementation, but there was no feedback regarding any of the others. Would we document it as "definitely works with Git/Hg, seemingly with Bzr, and probably with some of the others"?