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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247090 Archived-At: > I'd like to remind all of us that > there's a lot of "propaganda" out there telling everyone to turn off > GUI features such as the menu bar and the tool bar. The network is > full of personal init files that "proudly" do that, and forums like > Reddit are full of such advice to every newbie who asks about > configuring their Emacs. It is hard to be enthusiastic about making > these features more modern when the community seems to be divided on > whether they should at all be present. IMO, we should first get our > act together and decide whether these features are important, and then > speak up according to those decisions when we see advice to the > contrary. +1 And count me as one vote for the menu-bar being important, especially for discoverability. The tool-bar is less important, IMO, but I'd still vote to keep it.