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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:293860 Archived-At: On 23.08.2022 03:45, Po Lu wrote: > Dmitry Gutov writes: > >> Don't forget HiDPI support. > Lars says it works well enough on the Lucid build, at least as well as > the rest of Emacs does at present. Borders and box faces don't scale > but there is nothing that can be done about that at present. Huh, indeed. I guess my impression of it was old. But the scrollbars look odd, and the icons and the grey background make the program look dated. Not a problem for me personally: I disable both. >> We do want new users to try Emacs and decide to stick with it, don't we? > Right, and one way to do that is to provide them with a build where the > frame does not randomly resize itself upon entering a Dired buffer, or > where the `scroll-bar-width' frame parameter actually behaves as > documented instead of just flickering, or where an X disconnect does not > crash Emacs. Well, yes, but also better looks.