From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eli Zaretskii" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: The minibuffer vs. Dialog Boxes (Re: Making XEmacs be more up-to-date) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:29:55 +0300 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <3CC5AA37.5040208@cs.berkeley.edu> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1019590589 16956 127.0.0.1 (23 Apr 2002 19:36:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:36:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE, link@pobox.com, xemacs-design@xemacs.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 17065V-0004PN-00 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:36:29 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17066o-0004EV-00 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:37:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 17065K-0006cS-00; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:36:18 -0400 Original-Received: from thor.inter.net.il ([192.114.186.11]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 17064I-0006Yo-00 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:35:14 -0400 Original-Received: from Zaretsky ([80.230.2.40]) by thor.inter.net.il (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 2.9.3.2) with ESMTP id ACE79256; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:29:58 +0300 (IDT) Original-To: toomim@cs.berkeley.edu X-Mailer: emacs 21.2.50 (via feedmail 8 I) and Blat ver 1.8.9 In-Reply-To: <3CC5AA37.5040208@cs.berkeley.edu> (message from Michael Matthew Toomim on Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:38:47 -0700) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:3127 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:3127 > Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:38:47 -0700 > From: Michael Matthew Toomim > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Well, yes and no. Terje seemmed to say that he didn't want to read the > > manual, period. Not even a single section, not even when in bad need of > > some specific information. That sounds extreme to me: if there's a way > > of getting quickly to the necessary info, why should someone refuse to do > > that on purpose? [...] > What the above paragraph implies, is that you think Terje doesn't > deserve to use the cool features in XEmacs, or that we should not feel > obligated to make the features easier to use, if he is not willing to > put in the effort required to read the XEmacs manual. Sorry, I don't understand how did you deduce that from my language. I never meant anything like that. What part of my wording implied such a hostile intent? All I meant to say was what I said: that it surprises me why would someone avoid existing documentation even though it might be easily accessible and helpful. > Whether the general mainstream audience has put in enough effort to > really *deserve* to use XEmacs isn't the issue here. I don't think in such categories. To me, anyone and everyone deserves to use XEmacs.