From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: The minibuffer vs. Dialog Boxes (Re: Making XEmacs be more up-to-date) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:41:46 +0300 (IDT) Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <87bscbysbm.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1019540791 27411 127.0.0.1 (23 Apr 2002 05:46:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 05:46:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Brady Montz , xemacs-design@xemacs.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16zt8J-000780-00 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 07:46:31 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16zt9M-0002CL-00 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 07:47:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16zt8C-0003Fk-00; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 01:46:24 -0400 Original-Received: from is.elta.co.il ([199.203.121.2]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16zt5S-00039c-00 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 01:43:34 -0400 Original-Received: from is (is [199.203.121.2]) by is.elta.co.il (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA23540; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:41:46 +0300 (IDT) X-Sender: eliz@is Original-To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" In-Reply-To: <87bscbysbm.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:3074 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:3074 On 23 Apr 2002, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > >> Is "C-h C-f" supposed to show the Info node for a command you > >> type? If so, the equivalent command works for me in Emacs with > >> gnus. > > Brady> Doesn't work on my xemacs installation, so it's probably > Brady> just an install issue. > > Gnus is bundled with Emacs. I wonder if Eli would get the same > results on an unbundled package. I'm pretty sure that's why we don't > pick it up. I don't have an unbundled Gnus to try. However, "C-h F" (which I understand is the Emacs equivalent of "C-h C-f") works by looking up the function in the indices of the Info manual associated with the function whose name you type. So what is important for it is that the Info manual for Gnus is installed in a location that Emacs can find via INFOPATH or in the default places, like /usr/local/info etc. In other words, if you can say "C-h i d m gnus RET" and get the right version of the Gnus manual, then "C-h C-f" should have had no problems, either. Unless "C-h C-f" works differently in XEmacs, that is. > Brady> Help shouldn't require help. > > Have you ever tried to use Windows help? IMHO, Windows ``help'' is awful, mostly because its contents is not useful. They tell you the obvious things (``to open a file, click "File" and select "Open"'') in so many words, but the _really_ important issues, like how to solve problems, are nowhere to be found. I think the info is simply not there, not surprisingly. We shouldn't consider the Windows help as a good example in this discussion, I think. With all its deficiencies and lots of possible improvements, the Emacs documentation system is miles ahead of what Windows gives me. YMMV, of course.