From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alex Schroeder Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: The minibuffer vs. Dialog Boxes (Re: Making XEmacs be more up-to-date) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 12:57:35 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <000601c1e8b5$2960f830$947ba8c0@TSUNAMI> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1019388011 16300 127.0.0.1 (21 Apr 2002 11:20:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 11:20:11 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16zFO6-0004En-00 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 13:20:10 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16zFOI-0003yO-00 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 13:20:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16zF1z-0006US-00; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 06:57:19 -0400 Original-Received: from relay01.cablecom.net ([62.2.33.101]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16zEys-0005tA-00 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 06:54:06 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp.swissonline.ch (mail-4.swissonline.ch [62.2.32.85]) by relay01.cablecom.net (8.11.6/8.11.4/SOL/AWF/MXRELAY/06072001) with ESMTP id g3LArS211695; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 12:53:28 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from confusibombus (dclient217-162-233-18.hispeed.ch [217.162.233.18]) by smtp.swissonline.ch (8.11.6/8.11.6/SMTPSOL/AWF/2002040101) with ESMTP id g3LArxr06165; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 12:54:00 +0200 (MEST) Original-Received: from alex by confusibombus with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16zF2G-0000DL-00; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 12:57:36 +0200 Original-To: , In-Reply-To: <000601c1e8b5$2960f830$947ba8c0@TSUNAMI> ("Andy Piper"'s message of "Sat, 20 Apr 2002 14:48:52 -0700") Original-Lines: 34 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090006 (Oort Gnus v0.06) Emacs/21.2 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:2922 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:2922 "Andy Piper" writes: > I think the issue is not so much that Emacs uses weird terminology but that > Emacs uses different terminology to a hundred other editors. Seems like > we're arguing for Esperanto rather than words that are actually in the > dictionary. True enough. But will we change the terminology again when the next paradigm change of software development happens? I think it would be foolish to assume that Windows and Documents will be around for the next decades. Thus we might as well stick to our own pre-Windows, pre-X terminology. My favorite quote in this context from a posting by Per: What you call "Windows" is just one of many window systems that has come in and out of fashion during the lifetime of Emacs. Emacs (in one version or another) has supported most of them, SunView?, X10, X11 (Open Look, Athena, Motif), PM, Win32, Mac. Emacs has provided a sound foundation that has allowed programmers to be productive with all these, and will also provide a foundation for whatever window system will be hot tomorrow. What Emacs doesn't do is to give up that foundation in order to follow the latest trend. Instead, it incorporates what is good and compensates for the rest. This -- off course -- will make Emacs feel "old" for the followers of hype, but the wise will see its intrinsic power and lasting value. -- Per Abrahamsen, http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?EmacsDefense Alex. -- http://www.electronicintifada.net/diaries/index.html http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/US-Israel/hr2506c.html