From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Toomim Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: The minibuffer vs. Dialog Boxes (Re: Making XEmacs be more up-to-date) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 20:24:01 -0700 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <7263-Sat20Apr2002145929+0300-eliz@is.elta.co.il> <3CC1BEB9.9020104@cs.berkeley.edu> <15553.49507.745094.604981@ice.wonderworks.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1019359486 27885 127.0.0.1 (21 Apr 2002 03:24:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 03:24:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , link@pobox.com, bradym@balestra.org, xemacs-design@xemacs.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16z7y1-0007Fe-00 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 05:24:45 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16z7y3-0000DF-00 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 05:24:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16z7xq-0006sW-00; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 23:24:34 -0400 Original-Received: from front2.mail.megapathdsl.net ([66.80.60.30]) by fencepost.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16z7xH-0006qN-00 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 23:23:59 -0400 Original-Received: from [216.36.77.18] (HELO cheeseskin) by front2.mail.megapathdsl.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.8) with ESMTP id 27231577; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 20:17:59 -0700 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=cs.berkeley.edu ident=toomim) by cheeseskin with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16z7xJ-00027y-00; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 20:24:01 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020412 Debian/0.9.9-6 X-Accept-Language: en Original-To: Kyle Jones Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:2900 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:2900 Kyle Jones wrote: > > I agree with Terje on this. If XEmacs is to be designed to be more easily > > usable by newbies, the terminology should change along with the interface. > > What about the confusion this will cause with existing users? > This sounds to me like changing Emacs for the sake of those who > don't like or support it to the detriment of those who do like > and support it, and that is just perverse. As was discussed in previous posts, the point isn't to force a new UI onto old users, but to provide it as an option -- either a run-time option or a branch. Old users will have the same interface they always had, unless the decide to try out the new UI.