From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nix Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: The minibuffer vs. Dialog Boxes (Re: Making XEmacs be more up-to-date) Date: 20 Apr 2002 20:33:03 +0100 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <7263-Sat20Apr2002145929+0300-eliz@is.elta.co.il> <3CC1BEB9.9020104@cs.berkeley.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1019331417 1405 127.0.0.1 (20 Apr 2002 19:36:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 19:36:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , link@pobox.com, bradym@balestra.org, xemacs-design@xemacs.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16z0fI-0000MY-00 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 21:36:56 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16z0zH-0006Yw-00 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 21:57:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16z0f5-0002n5-00; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 15:36:43 -0400 Original-Received: from esperi.demon.co.uk ([194.222.138.8]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16z0cl-0002aK-00 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 15:34:20 -0400 Original-Received: from amaterasu.srvr.nix (0@amaterasu.srvr.nix [192.168.1.14]) by esperi.demon.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3KJX5V26832; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 20:33:05 +0100 Original-Received: (from nix@localhost) by amaterasu.srvr.nix (8.11.6/8.11.4) id g3KJX3926712; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 20:33:03 +0100 Original-To: Michael Toomim X-Emacs: if SIGINT doesn't work, try a tranquilizer. In-Reply-To: <3CC1BEB9.9020104@cs.berkeley.edu> Original-Lines: 20 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.4 (Common Lisp) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:2875 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:2875 On Sat, 20 Apr 2002, Michael Toomim said: > Changing the terminology would help new users, and I think that old > users would be able to get used to the changes pretty quickly, since > they'd all be pretty intuitive (assuming they're just being updated to > the terms commonly used today). Bear in mind that the terminology is an API problem too: the terms `buffer', `window', `frame' and so on are in the Lisp layer of (X)Emacs and are used by Lisp code. If we don't change the Lisp layer too, we introduce a serious inconsistency between the terms used for the user-interface and the terms used for Lisp (both of which blend seamlessly at present.) If we do change the Lisp layer, we break the world. -- `Unless they've moved it since I last checked, travelling between England and America does not involve crossing the equator.' --- pir