From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: The minibuffer vs. Dialog Boxes (Re: Making XEmacs be more up-to-date) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 11:27:29 -0600 (MDT) Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020417123512.0398e4c8@san-francisco.beasys.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1019326367 27981 127.0.0.1 (20 Apr 2002 18:12:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 18:12:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: xemacs-design@xemacs.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16yzLr-0007HC-00 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 20:12:47 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16yzfn-0004jc-00 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 20:33:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16yygy-00077Y-00; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 13:30:32 -0400 Original-Received: from pele.santafe.edu ([192.12.12.119]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16yye3-0006YQ-00; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 13:27:31 -0400 Original-Received: from aztec.santafe.edu (aztec [192.12.12.49]) by pele.santafe.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g3KHRTa02028; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 11:27:29 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: (from rms@localhost) by aztec.santafe.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.3) id g3KHRTg01417; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 11:27:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: aztec.santafe.edu: rms set sender to rms@aztec using -f Original-To: bradym@balestra.org In-Reply-To: (message from Brady Montz on 19 Apr 2002 09:27:58 -0700) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:2864 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:2864 I can imagine something where functions not only have a doc string, but enough info for a more cleverly interactive browser/searcher than M-x apropos to easily find them (we may not need much more for that), easily connected to the customize options relating to that function, and ideally a mini-tutorial or example code for those functions/variables. Could you spell out how this would look in practice? (Would you like to help write it?) 3. we have a nice set of tools for managing which files/buffers you have open and how to switch between them: ibuffer, iswitchb, various things like desktop.el, speedbar, buffer-menu, ... It might be good to settle on one or a few different ways of using all of these and making them more obvious for beginners. I more or less agree, but I think desktop.el does not really belong in this category. My personal interests are (1) and (2). I've been swamped with work for the last few months, but I'm really wanting to be able to have an aquafied emacs for my mac. We will include support for Mac toolkits if someone writes it clearly, but do remember that MacOS tramples your freedom just like Windows. Our goal is to replace proprietary software, not to enhance it. So instead of looking to make GNU Emacs enhance MacOS, we should look to enhance GNU to replace MacOS.