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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249867 Archived-At: On 11.05.2020 21:43, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> If some wants to edit some ML files, they can 'M-x package-install >> sml-mode'. If they want a popup based completion interface, then can >> 'M-x package-install company' (and M-x global-company-mode, okay). All >> fast, without a need to customize anything. >> >> For YAML, for example, this is not an option. But it could be. > > I don't see how a one-time addition of a simple customization could be > characterized as "losing". See my other messages. Also discussions on initial user experience and better getting-started documentation. >> GNU ELPA has largely been Stefan's project > > That's news to me. Last I heard, Stefan stepped down from maintaining > Emacs some time ago. I don't see what that has to do with it.