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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:263454 Archived-At: On 26.01.2021 07:59, Richard Stallman wrote: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > > I think they are software, because they could be modified within an > > > infinite space of possibilities. > > > A picture can be modified within an infinite space of possibilities. A > > book can be modified. A mathematical equation can be modified. > > That is true, but you've taken the question I raised for myself out of > its context. The real question is, "In the context, is there any > doubt that this is a piece of software? If not, what else could it > be? > > I think it is clear that a specification of a data structure, meant to > guide a program's operation on that data, is software. It is > comparable to a bunch of struct and enum declarations which is how we > use C header files to show the structure of other data. I'm going to say that it's not a program, in the same way as images are not part of a program code. Unlike enums that have a role in writing the code and its compilation, and thus describe aspects of a program, schemas are structured documents which contain information pertaining to other documents. There are different things a program can do with a schema: it can determine whether a certain document is valid, or it can output some sort of structure describing the elements that are missing in the document, or it could even try to generate a sample document based on that schema (though it would require a fair amount of supporting code). This list is almost certainly incomplete. So a schema is not a program, nor a part of a particular program. That said, if we always require that accompanying data (such as images) to be distributed under free licenses, the "software or not" question is probably moot.