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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273619 Archived-At: On 31.08.2021 19:37, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Any changes that can attract new blood have my vote. > > Everyone agrees with general principles, With "any changes that can attract new blood", really? > the disagreements begin when > we consider the details. E.g., "any changes" is definitely a > generalization that is not very useful in practice. FWIW, I mentioned particular categories of changes. Or as I've been saying, we love additions but hate changes. This is a distinction that's easy to conceptualize, and we could start a discussion into changing this, or at least instituting some procedures for making important non-backward-compatible changes. Nobody with power to make decisions has shown any interest, however.