From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Cecilio Pardo Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Physical keyboard events Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2024 18:54:11 +0100 Message-ID: References: <86r07z58or.fsf@gnu.org> <87msimhqba.fsf@nexoid.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="9599"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Peter Feigl , Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 29 18:54:47 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1t5qQY-0002PR-Qj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 29 Oct 2024 18:54:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1t5qQ6-0003TH-TR; Tue, 29 Oct 2024 13:54:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1t5qQ5-0003T5-J9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Oct 2024 13:54:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.imayhem.com ([82.223.54.191] helo=zealous-pike.82-223-54-191.plesk.page) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1t5qQ4-0001vB-56; Tue, 29 Oct 2024 13:54:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.68.104] (111.red-88-21-7.staticip.rima-tde.net [88.21.7.111]) by zealous-pike.82-223-54-191.plesk.page (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6A5488012E; Tue, 29 Oct 2024 17:54:14 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: zealous-pike.82-223-54-191.plesk.page; spf=pass (sender IP is 88.21.7.111) smtp.mailfrom=cpardo@imayhem.com smtp.helo=[192.168.68.104] Received-SPF: pass (zealous-pike.82-223-54-191.plesk.page: connection is authenticated) Content-Language: es-ES In-Reply-To: <87msimhqba.fsf@nexoid.at> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=82.223.54.191; envelope-from=cpardo@imayhem.com; helo=zealous-pike.82-223-54-191.plesk.page X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:324929 Archived-At: On 29/10/2024 16:38, Peter Feigl wrote: >> I will define a list of keys: LeftShit, RightShift, LeftControl, etc. >> The platform dependent code will decide which one was pressed. As events >> will be invisible, I don't think we will interfere with input methods. > > I caution you to think about this very well, there are *very* many > non-standard keyboards or remapped keyboards out there, where users > expect everything to work. > > In general, it is best to leave the mapping of physical keys to intended > keypresses to whatever the operating system provides. In the specific > case of Xorg, please only look at the keysyms, do not try to do anything > magical with the scancodes, this will only result in a broken > implementation. > > I understand the wish to have this, but it is a way more complex topic > than it looks like from a first glance. > > I have had to deal with way too many bad implementations of this than > wanting to deal with it in Emacs as well :-/ > > Sorry for the criticism, in case you have already thought about all of > this and solved it, I'd really be interested in hearing more about it! Thanks for the insight. I will keep it simple and be conservative. And ready to throw it all away if the result asks for it. :)