From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: char equivalence classes in search - why not symmetric? Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2015 16:11:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: References: <2a7b9134-af2a-462d-af6c-d02bad60bbe8@default> <834mjecdy7.fsf@gnu.org> <38061f42-eaf1-47c6-b74d-f676ac952b18@default> <83r3miatvl.fsf@gnu.org> <21998.29683.916211.867479@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <9A972800-D8F0-4DA8-877E-07D5BDC2E1F9@gmail.com> <87oahd11i9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <8cf269bc-69d8-4752-8506-de8d992512e1@default> <4f3b1db3-d3d2-480f-8662-fbf7c74aa67f@default> <87vbbgtzc2.fsf@mail.linkov.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1442013123 26416 80.91.229.3 (11 Sep 2015 23:12:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2015 23:12:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: stephen@xemacs.org, jean.christophe.helary@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier , Richard Stallman To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 12 01:11:50 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZaXTx-0004vy-RZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Sep 2015 01:11:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58858 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZaXTw-00040O-Sm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2015 19:11:48 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48591) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZaXTo-000403-5B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2015 19:11:41 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZaXTg-0002Pd-Gc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2015 19:11:35 -0400 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:25844) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZaXTg-0002O1-9S; Fri, 11 Sep 2015 19:11:32 -0400 Original-Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t8BNBSZ3013118 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Sep 2015 23:11:29 GMT Original-Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t8BNBRXL003177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Sep 2015 23:11:27 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0006.oracle.com (abhmp0006.oracle.com [141.146.116.12]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t8BNBQb1011877; Fri, 11 Sep 2015 23:11:26 GMT In-Reply-To: <87vbbgtzc2.fsf@mail.linkov.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 156.151.31.81 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:189847 Archived-At: > > That is, after you figure out that Emacs has turned the tables on > > you (and there is no signal that it has - no message telling you > > that it is now searching case-sensitively), >=20 > For the automatic toggling of case-sensitivity we could display the same > message as displayed for manual toggling with =E2=80=98M-s c=E2=80=99. Yes, please. We should also discuss (in another thread, please) other, additional or better/instead ways to show the user state changes and the current state. > > IOW, the automatic downcasing DWIM is used only when you use `C-M-y' > > (or `C-w') to yank some text at point into the search string. What > > was said about automatic downcasing is not true for pasting in > > general. Which points to another possibility of use confusion > > (inconsistency). >=20 > No, pasting is broken too: try to paste the upper case =E2=80=9CA=E2=80= =9D with =E2=80=98C-s > C-y=E2=80=99 (isearch-yank-kill) - it's irrecoverably converted to lower = case. Oh, right. So two ways to get broken pasting in that sense, and one way to get broken pasting in the other sense (the example I gave, with `M-e').