From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: My resignation from Emacs development Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2024 10:29:30 +0000 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38039"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Christopher Dimech Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 21 11:30:24 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tE4S7-0009lS-Ro for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2024 11:30:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tE4RW-000154-0z; Thu, 21 Nov 2024 05:29:46 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tE4RU-00014u-Rc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2024 05:29:44 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.muc.de ([193.149.48.3]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tE4RT-0003Cw-0W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2024 05:29:44 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 24229 invoked by uid 3782); 21 Nov 2024 11:29:31 +0100 Original-Received: from muc.de (p4fe1590e.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [79.225.89.14]) (using STARTTLS) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Thu, 21 Nov 2024 11:29:31 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 12857 invoked by uid 1000); 21 Nov 2024 10:29:30 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Submission-Agent: TMDA/1.3.x (Ph3nix) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de Received-SPF: pass client-ip=193.149.48.3; envelope-from=acm@muc.de; helo=mail.muc.de X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:325540 Archived-At: Hello, Christopher. On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 17:23:20 +0100, Christopher Dimech wrote: > The claim that using free software or its associated names constitutes > aggression is fundamentally flawed. Aggression involves hostile actions > meant to cause harm, and using names in a way not intended by their > original authors is neither violent nor malicious. There are forms of aggression which don't use fists or guns. > One of the key principles of free software is that software should be > modifiable, and free to use in any context. Restricting how names are > used run counter to the ethos to empower users and developers, not to > limit or control their language or expressions. Fine. I put it to you that if somebody were to take the name dimech@gmx.com and prevent it connecting up with your inbox, you would be somewhat unhappy. > Although the approach should be reconsidered, there should be some > thoughtful conversation among the community. Avoiding tones of contempt > or disregard for the foundations laid by previous contributors. How very considerate and reasonable of you. The time for "thoughtful conversation" around the current matter is long past. You should perhaps address your comments to those who bypass and evade "thoughtful conversation" at the appropriate time. > For instance, I agree with you that ("\\.myc\\'" . c-mode) in auto-mode-alist > should mean C Mode. Although C Mode would mean the emacs preferred mode. > Still, your mode name can be changed for those who want to apply an alternative > mode. Changing the mode should be a straightforward thing. C Mode has been called that for a long time, possibly longer than you have been called Christopher Dimech. As far as I'm concerned, it's going to keep its name. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).