From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal: new default bindings for winner and windmove Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2024 15:27:57 +0000 Message-ID: References: <8734p3219c.fsf@yahoo.com> <867cefeo1w.fsf@gnu.org> <8734p03e94.fsf@jeremybryant.net> <867cec9ccl.fsf@gnu.org> <877D0EA4-CAC1-4FA3-8102-8AC7446AFAED@dancol.org> <87msn7x058.fsf@yahoo.com> <87o77ng4yy.fsf@dancol.org> <877cebwxaf.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39914"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Daniel Colascione , Eli Zaretskii , Jeremy Bryant , stefankangas@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 26 17:28:42 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sMUZe-000ABJ-3Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 26 Jun 2024 17:28:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sMUZ3-00083K-IT; Wed, 26 Jun 2024 11:28:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sMUZ2-00083A-3p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jun 2024 11:28:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.muc.de ([193.149.48.3]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sMUYz-0004ib-VS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jun 2024 11:28:03 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 39652 invoked by uid 3782); 26 Jun 2024 17:27:58 +0200 Original-Received: from muc.de (pd953ace7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [217.83.172.231]) (using STARTTLS) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 26 Jun 2024 17:27:58 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 9947 invoked by uid 1000); 26 Jun 2024 15:27:57 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <877cebwxaf.fsf@yahoo.com> X-Submission-Agent: TMDA/1.3.x (Ph3nix) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de Received-SPF: pass client-ip=193.149.48.3; envelope-from=acm@muc.de; helo=mail.muc.de X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:320714 Archived-At: Hello, Po. On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 23:15:04 +0800, Po Lu wrote: [ .... ] > > Making certain functionality mouse-only is, in fact, contrary to > > longstanding tradition. > For the lion's share of users unwilling to use the mouse, other-window > is perfectly adequate. Or we would have heard otherwise long ago. other-window (which I've bound to ) is entirely satisfactory to me, a user who doesn't like the mouse. > Whether Alan is a user of Windmove, I don't know, but he does not > believe it to justify default keybindings in the C-x 4 keymap. I don't use windmove, no, but I can see its usefulness for some people. I use , , .... to switch to frames F1, F2, ... etc. I think that's a tremendously useful facility, more so than windmove, but I'm not about to be suggesting these bindings should go into the default key maps. > I have never used Windmove, because I am perfectly content with the > status quo. Eli did not so much as understand your proposal at first. > No others have referred to having installed keybindings agreeing > exactly with yours, whatsoever concurrence they might have expressed, > from which it is easy to conclude that your choices are so universal > as preferences for text editor or tea versus coffee--that is to say, > not universal at all. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).