From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Daniel Colascione <dancol@dancol.org>,
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, Jeremy Bryant <jb@jeremybryant.net>,
luangruo@yahoo.com, stefankangas@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Proposal: new default bindings for winner and windmove
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2024 15:14:53 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZnwwbYUKgL6VJY6B@ACM> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvpls3yer2.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
Hello, Stefan.
On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 10:27:44 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > That doesn't clear up all that much. The answers to "why?" are
> > missing.
> To provide keybindings to the windmove commands by default,
> i.e. without any configuration on the part of the user.
What's so special about windmove that it deserves such privileged
treatment? windmove is already useable with trivial configuration.
I could argue that there are more important features needing key
bindings. For example, more easily selecting specific frames, or setting
up a frame to use Follow Mode more easily. Heck, even other-window
really needs a single stroke key binding.
I would expect you to argue back that these features are just my own
personal preferences, and I would accept that. I am arguing the same
back to you and Daniel - you want to install your personal preferences in
the default key maps.
Neither you nor Daniel has yet given any strong argument why this
particular package is so special.
> Stefan
--
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
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2021-08-21 19:10 Proposal: new default bindings for winner and windmove Daniel Colascione
2021-08-21 19:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-21 19:27 ` Daniel Colascione
2021-08-21 19:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-22 8:35 ` Juri Linkov
2021-08-21 19:42 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2021-08-25 13:12 ` Kaushal Modi
2021-08-21 20:20 ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-22 6:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-22 8:32 ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-22 13:43 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-08-22 0:43 ` Phil Sainty
2021-08-22 5:13 ` Teemu Likonen
2021-08-22 9:22 ` Teemu Likonen
2021-08-21 19:26 ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-22 8:37 ` Juri Linkov
2021-08-22 14:05 ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-22 19:16 ` Daniel Colascione
2021-08-22 17:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-08-22 22:01 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-08-23 5:16 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2021-08-24 21:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-08-25 3:42 ` Richard Stallman
2024-06-21 19:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-06-21 20:39 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-06-23 10:05 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-06-23 11:14 ` Daniel Colascione
2024-06-23 12:05 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-06-23 12:30 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-06-23 13:29 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-06-23 13:34 ` Daniel Colascione
2024-06-23 13:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-23 20:55 ` chad
2024-06-23 16:32 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-06-23 12:57 ` Daniel Colascione
2024-06-23 13:40 ` Po Lu
2024-06-23 13:45 ` Daniel Colascione
2024-06-23 14:15 ` Po Lu
2024-06-23 14:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-24 7:41 ` Gregor Zattler
2024-06-24 12:13 ` Daniel Colascione
2024-06-24 12:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-24 15:09 ` Gregor Zattler
2024-06-24 15:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-25 1:41 ` Joel Reicher
2024-06-24 15:57 ` Petteri Hintsanen
2024-06-25 21:26 ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-06-26 11:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-26 11:44 ` Daniel Colascione
2024-06-26 13:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-26 13:57 ` Daniel Colascione
2024-06-26 15:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-26 15:49 ` Daniel Colascione
2024-06-28 19:47 ` Hovav Shacham
2024-06-28 20:45 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-06-29 7:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-01 1:58 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-06-26 13:22 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-06-26 13:51 ` Daniel Colascione
2024-06-26 14:13 ` Po Lu
2024-06-26 14:21 ` Daniel Colascione
2024-06-26 15:15 ` Po Lu
2024-06-26 15:27 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-06-26 15:42 ` Colin Baxter
2024-06-26 16:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-26 14:41 ` Joel Reicher
2024-06-26 15:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-26 14:49 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-06-26 17:02 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-06-26 14:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-06-26 15:14 ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2024-06-26 13:53 ` Po Lu
2024-06-26 14:18 ` Daniel Colascione
2024-06-26 14:48 ` Po Lu
2024-06-26 14:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-06-26 14:51 ` Po Lu
2024-06-26 15:01 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-06-27 15:35 ` Augusto Stoffel
2024-06-26 17:02 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-07-02 6:28 ` Visuwesh
2024-06-23 14:28 ` Daniel Colascione
2024-06-23 14:37 ` Po Lu
2024-06-23 14:45 ` Daniel Colascione
2024-06-24 10:35 ` Joel Reicher
2024-06-23 16:32 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-06-23 13:48 ` Daniel Colascione
2024-06-23 14:14 ` Telemetry, opt-in,opt-out [was: Proposal: new default bindings for winner and windmove] tomas
2024-06-23 14:18 ` Daniel Colascione
2024-06-23 15:23 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-06-23 15:34 ` tomas
2024-06-23 19:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-06-23 21:12 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-06-25 14:28 ` [External] : Re: Telemetry, opt-in, opt-out " Madhu
2024-06-25 17:19 ` Drew Adams
2024-06-25 23:03 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide via Emacs development discussions.
2024-06-28 4:02 ` Richard Stallman
2024-06-28 5:28 ` Telemetry, opt-in,opt-out " Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-28 6:33 ` tomas
2024-06-23 14:25 ` Proposal: new default bindings for winner and windmove Po Lu
2024-06-23 14:38 ` Daniel Colascione
2024-06-23 15:24 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-06-23 15:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-23 16:32 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-06-23 19:10 ` Gregor Zattler
2024-06-23 13:59 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-06-23 14:06 ` Daniel Colascione
2024-06-23 16:32 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-06-23 18:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-23 18:51 ` Daniel Colascione
2024-06-23 19:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-23 19:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-23 19:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-06-23 21:12 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-06-23 20:07 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-06-23 21:12 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-06-23 21:09 ` Drew Adams
2024-06-23 19:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-06-23 20:07 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-06-23 20:23 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-06-23 21:12 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-06-24 2:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-24 10:41 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-06-24 11:45 ` Po Lu
2024-06-25 2:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-24 3:29 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-06-24 4:23 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-06-24 7:18 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-06-24 14:46 ` Drew Adams
2024-06-24 6:32 ` Juri Linkov
2024-06-26 15:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-06-26 20:38 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-06-27 5:16 ` Attitude (was: Proposal: new default bindings for winner and windmove) Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-27 12:19 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-07-01 1:29 ` Proposal: new default bindings for winner and windmove Stefan Kangas
2024-07-01 10:07 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-07-01 10:47 ` Po Lu
2024-07-01 11:12 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-07-01 13:20 ` Po Lu
2024-07-01 18:21 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-07-02 0:52 ` Po Lu
2024-07-01 11:25 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-07-01 13:28 ` Po Lu
2024-07-01 13:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-01 19:05 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-07-01 21:24 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-07-01 22:07 ` Daniel Colascione
2024-07-02 1:00 ` Po Lu
2024-07-02 3:26 ` C-o (was: Proposal: new default bindings for winner and windmove) Stefan Monnier
2024-07-02 4:34 ` C-o Po Lu
2024-07-02 5:59 ` C-o Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-02 6:23 ` C-o Visuwesh
2024-07-02 12:51 ` C-o Dmitry Gutov
2024-07-02 13:06 ` C-o Po Lu
2024-07-02 13:39 ` C-o Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-02 14:02 ` C-o Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-07-03 9:24 ` C-o Po Lu
2024-07-03 11:33 ` C-o Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-03 12:15 ` C-o Po Lu
2024-07-02 14:02 ` C-o T.V Raman
2024-07-02 15:36 ` C-o Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-07-02 22:27 ` C-o Michael Heerdegen via Emacs development discussions.
2024-07-02 22:31 ` C-o (was: Proposal: new default bindings for winner and windmove) Stefan Kangas
2024-07-02 22:44 ` C-o Jeremy Bryant
2024-07-03 10:07 ` C-o (was: Proposal: new default bindings for winner and windmove) Per Starbäck
2024-07-03 12:48 ` C-o Howard Melman
2024-07-03 16:24 ` C-o Yuri Khan
2024-07-03 16:32 ` C-o Howard Melman
2024-07-05 4:14 ` C-o Richard Stallman
2024-07-05 4:28 ` C-o Howard Melman
2024-07-03 19:13 ` C-o Bob Rogers
2024-07-02 7:28 ` Proposal: new default bindings for winner and windmove Philip Kaludercic
2024-07-02 11:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-02 1:01 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-07-02 1:51 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-07-02 2:20 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-07-02 3:47 ` Drew Adams
2024-07-02 22:41 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-07-02 1:47 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
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2024-07-02 13:08 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-07-01 14:43 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-07-01 18:12 ` [External] : Re: Proposal: new default bindings for windmove. [Working minor mode] Alan Mackenzie
2024-07-01 18:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-04 2:26 ` Proposal: new default bindings for winner and windmove Richard Stallman
2024-07-01 23:18 ` Daniel Colascione
2024-07-02 1:02 ` Po Lu via Emacs development discussions.
2024-07-02 2:03 ` Howard Melman
2024-07-02 12:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-02 3:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-07-02 4:14 ` Po Lu
2024-07-02 13:04 ` Stefan Monnier
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2024-07-02 14:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-07-02 14:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2024-07-02 6:50 ` Juri Linkov
2024-07-02 8:07 ` Yuri Khan
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