Re: [External] : Re: Lisp files that load cl-lib in problematical ways

[Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>]

Hello, Eli.

On Wed, Nov 01, 2023 at 15:07:31 +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > From: Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org>
> > Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2023 13:49:57 +0100

> > There are 20 `defun' in cl-lib.el, however one, "last*", is
> > commented out, so that leaves the following 19:

> > cl--defalias
> > cl--do-subst
> > cl--old-struct-type-of
> > cl--set-buffer-substring
> > cl--set-substring
> > cl-acons
> > cl-adjoin
> > cl-constantly
> > cl-copy-list
> > cl-digit-char-p
> > cl-evenp
> > cl-ldiff
> > cl-list*
> > cl-mapcar
> > cl-oddp
> > cl-pairlis
> > cl-proclaim
> > cl-subst
> > cl-values-list

> Thanks.  The "cl--*" ones should also be removed, I think (as they
> are not supposed to be called from outsider cl-lib.el), but other than
> that, I think this is the list.  And I cannot fail to point out that
> the list is quite short, not nearly as long as the discussion seemed
> to indicate.  Maybe we need to add to the list the functions in
> cl-extra.el and cl-seq.el?

I think so.  Richard's concern is the sheer bulk of cl-*, which adds
complexity to the language by virtue of the mass of detail which both
new and experienced Emacs hackers have to cope with.  That complexity
exists regardless of when those functions and macros get loaded.

So, from that point of view, cl-extra.el and cl-seq.el are certainly
relevant, as is cl-macs.el, and maybe one or two others.

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).