From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib? Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 13:20:40 +0000 Message-ID: References: <8a7362da-3cc4-221c-7b8a-a9918677adff@gutov.dev> <871qcwx122.fsf@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24060"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Michael Heerdegen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 11 14:21:29 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1r1nvU-00062h-Vi for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 11 Nov 2023 14:21:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r1nup-0003q2-CM; Sat, 11 Nov 2023 08:20:47 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r1nun-0003ps-Pc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Nov 2023 08:20:45 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.muc.de ([193.149.48.3]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r1num-0005MT-0L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Nov 2023 08:20:45 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 42813 invoked by uid 3782); 11 Nov 2023 14:20:41 +0100 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p4fe151aa.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [79.225.81.170]) (using STARTTLS) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sat, 11 Nov 2023 14:20:41 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 5125 invoked by uid 1000); 11 Nov 2023 13:20:40 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <871qcwx122.fsf@web.de> X-Submission-Agent: TMDA/1.3.x (Ph3nix) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de Received-SPF: pass client-ip=193.149.48.3; envelope-from=acm@muc.de; helo=mail.muc.de X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:312555 Archived-At: Hello, Michael. Thanks for the kind message! On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 07:21:25 +0100, Michael Heerdegen wrote: > Alan Mackenzie writes: > > I don't think there's much point continuing this bit of the > > conversation any further. > There is much point. Please, again, let's calm down a bit. Joćo is not > personally responsible for the things you criticize. He will maybe not > be able to fix all of these points in a couple of days. And he does not > have to prove that he can. This doesn't mean it is not possible in a > longer term. > Alan, I totally understand that you are annoyed. But impatience is not > helpful in this case, it will rather prevent that we get things done in > a good way. There was actually a specific misunderstanding between Joćo and me, which has now been resolved. He has, so far, amended two doc strings beautifully. > Michael. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).