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From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Non-ASCII characters in Info files produced by Texinfo 7.1
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2023 20:49:53 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZTbccenXjg522PpD@ACM> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83o7gpm9uy.fsf@gnu.org>

Hello, Eli.

On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 22:12:21 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> Texinfo 7.1, released a few days ago, changed the behavior wrt
> characters produced from quotes, apostrophes and en- and em-dashes: by
> default, it now produces the ASCII equivalents.  So, for example, "--"
> in the Texinfo source remains "--" in the produced Info file, where
> previous versions would produce a real en-dash '–'.

> The main reason for this change is that it makes it easier to grep the
> Info files.

> To revert to previous behavior, we will need to pass an optional
> argument to the makeinfo command in our Makefile's.  But before I make
> this change, I would like to know if people here want the new behavior
> or the old one.

Thanks for raising this issue on the mailing list.

> For those who want the read about the reasons for this change in
> behavior, here are the links:

>   https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/automake-patches/2022-12/msg00000.html
>   https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/automake-patches/2022-12/msg00019.html
>   https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-texinfo/2023-06/msg00000.html

> What do people think about this?

I have always disliked the replacement of ASCII characters by non-ASCII
Unicode punctuation in working documents; it makes those documents less
easy to search, whether by grep or by C-s, or whatever, and these
characters are displayed in an obtrusive face.

Quite likely, there will also be people who dislike the use of ASCII for
these purposes.

So I would vote for either texinfo's new default of using ASCII quotes,
etc., or having a configuration option to set/unset the command line
option to texinfo.

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).



  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-10-23 20:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-23 19:12 Non-ASCII characters in Info files produced by Texinfo 7.1 Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-23 19:52 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-10-24  5:02   ` Visuwesh
2023-10-24  8:52     ` Stefan Kangas
2023-10-24  9:07       ` Visuwesh
2023-10-24 11:45         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-25  6:45           ` Juri Linkov
2023-10-25 12:31             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-25 12:33             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-25 13:12               ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-10-23 20:49 ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2023-10-24  4:31   ` tomas
2023-10-24  5:28     ` Christopher Dimech
2023-10-24  7:42       ` tomas
2023-10-24  6:54 ` Yuri Khan
2023-10-24 11:15   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-24 11:20     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-24  8:02 ` Manuel Giraud via Emacs development discussions.
2023-10-24  8:21   ` Ulrich Mueller
2023-10-24  9:39     ` Manuel Giraud via Emacs development discussions.
2023-10-24 10:59     ` Po Lu
2023-10-24 12:04       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-24 11:27     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-24 11:22   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-24 12:28     ` Manuel Giraud via Emacs development discussions.
2023-10-24 12:45       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-24 13:43         ` Manuel Giraud via Emacs development discussions.
2023-10-26  8:53           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-26  9:43             ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-10-26 10:11               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-26 10:55                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-10-26 11:18                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-09  4:01                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-26  9:54             ` Ulrich Mueller
2023-10-26 10:14               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-26 10:31             ` Gregory Heytings

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