From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
To: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: ulm@gentoo.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Why have a #if .... #else .... #endif construct in Emacs Lisp, when we could make the existing code DTRT unchanged?
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2023 14:11:06 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZPc2-vg1dSTgIUST@ACM> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1qdJxZ-0005QO-Q2@fencepost.gnu.org>
Hello, Richard.
On Mon, Sep 04, 2023 at 20:30:25 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote:
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> > How about making the byte compiler recognize the construct
> > (if (< emacs-major-version NUMBER) ...)
> > and do this optimization on it?
> People seem not to have considered this seriously, ....
It was actually the first thing I considered when the original problem
occurred to me. We have a similar optimisation in place for (featurep
xemacs). But then, the number of ways emacs-major-version (to say
nothing of emacs-minor-version) can be used is large (starting with <,
<=, >, >=, =, /=, eq, eql, equal, and extending to predicates involving
e-minor-v), that it would be at least somewhat difficult to apply in
practice.
> .... but I have not seen any serious discussion of a drawback.
I outlined some drawbacks in my post of yesterday evening (Monday
2022-09-04), European time.
> What flaw or drawback do people see in it?
The above. Plus, some (possibly most) of the predicates we want to
optimise out are expressed in terms of present/absent features rather
than numeric version numbers. There are just 45 occurrences of
emacs-major-version in the Lisp sources, over 2000 occurrences of boundp
and fboundp. We could convert (some of) those 45 to use static-if in
less time than it would take to amend the interpreter and byte-compiler
to handler emacs-major-version specially.
> It should optimize the existing the existing code with no change at
> all. Isn't that just perfect?
Sadly, no it's not. It would only do part of the job which is to be
done. It would make some parts of Emacs more complicated.
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Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-08-28 19:37 Why shouldn't we have a #if .... #else .... #endif construct in Emacs Lisp? Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-28 19:47 ` Ulrich Mueller
2023-08-28 20:06 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-28 21:01 ` Ulrich Mueller
2023-08-28 21:46 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-31 2:07 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-31 7:50 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-04 1:34 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-04 10:50 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-04 11:02 ` tomas
2023-09-04 15:19 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-04 18:57 ` tomas
2023-09-06 0:58 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-06 0:58 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-06 7:28 ` Andreas Schwab
2023-09-06 9:31 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-06 9:56 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-09 0:39 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-09 10:32 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-10 0:22 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-10 8:36 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-13 23:53 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-20 12:59 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-05 0:30 ` Why have a #if .... #else .... #endif construct in Emacs Lisp, when we could make the existing code DTRT unchanged? Richard Stallman
2023-09-05 0:41 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-08 17:54 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-05 4:37 ` tomas
2023-09-05 5:53 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-05 6:28 ` tomas
2023-09-05 11:06 ` Adam Porter
2023-09-05 11:26 ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-09-05 14:11 ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2023-09-08 1:01 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-08 2:45 ` Po Lu
2023-09-10 0:24 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-05 8:14 ` Why shouldn't we have a #if .... #else .... #endif construct in Emacs Lisp? Ulrich Mueller
2023-08-28 19:53 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-29 9:19 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-29 10:36 ` João Távora
2023-08-29 11:09 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-29 11:20 ` João Távora
2023-08-30 20:48 ` Sean Whitton
2023-08-30 20:59 ` João Távora
2023-09-02 23:12 ` Stefan Monnier via Emacs development discussions.
2023-09-03 0:18 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-03 12:27 ` João Távora
2023-08-29 12:54 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-29 13:23 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-02 23:09 ` Stefan Monnier via Emacs development discussions.
2023-08-29 16:28 ` LdBeth
2023-08-29 20:09 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-08-30 10:31 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-30 17:36 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-08-30 18:03 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-30 18:17 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-09-02 15:06 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-02 15:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-02 19:43 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-03 4:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-03 10:48 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-03 11:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-03 13:24 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-02 19:20 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-09-02 19:37 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-09-02 19:58 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-04 11:12 ` Lynn Winebarger
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