From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eric S. Raymond" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Shrinking the C core Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 17:19:22 -0400 Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs Message-ID: References: <20230809094655.793FC18A4654@snark.thyrsus.com> <87il9owg0f.fsf@yahoo.com> <87ttt7odzh.fsf@arch.mail-host-address-is-not-set> <87leej7ima.fsf@gentoo.org> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10048"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Eric Frederickson , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Sam James Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 10 23:20:28 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qUD4z-0002PO-Lw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2023 23:20:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qUD44-0007pj-5f; Thu, 10 Aug 2023 17:19:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qUD41-0007pC-RN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2023 17:19:25 -0400 Original-Received: from thyrsus.com ([71.162.243.5] helo=snark.thyrsus.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qUD40-00067E-6Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2023 17:19:25 -0400 Original-Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4F0F018A219E; Thu, 10 Aug 2023 17:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87leej7ima.fsf@gentoo.org> X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy Received-SPF: pass client-ip=71.162.243.5; envelope-from=esr@thyrsus.com; helo=snark.thyrsus.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:308546 Archived-At: Sam James : > I presume esr was under the same impression and hence even if he never > went through with his big plan, it'd be some easy wins from his perspective. > > Laying the groundwork for something that may or may not come off with > independent changes one believes are worthwhile isn't underhanded if > it's just a pipedream in the back of your head but you think the changes > are good in isolation. Exactly so. Experience has taught me the value of sneaking up on big changes in such a way that if you have to bail out midway through the grand plan you have still added value. And reducing the maintainence complexity of the core is a good thing in itself. -- Eric S. Raymond