From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: tomas@tuxteam.de Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: icon-title-format vs. frame-title-format (Bug#61496) Date: Fri, 5 May 2023 09:28:46 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87bkj1ar9n.fsf@yahoo.com> <7e6334ce-c9a3-2c58-d263-fa962f0c2f7d@web.de> <877ctocfpq.fsf@telefonica.net> <87zg6jab1f.fsf@yahoo.com> <87y1m3bnff.fsf@telefonica.net> <83jzxnjqat.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="cIEeqlItMslfksWE" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20296"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri May 05 09:29:41 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pupso-00050l-VM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 05 May 2023 09:29:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pups5-0005D6-HL; Fri, 05 May 2023 03:28:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pups3-0005Cr-Hx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 May 2023 03:28:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pups1-0007Bp-NR; Fri, 05 May 2023 03:28:51 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject :Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=2StGrqG3Zm6wbwOlYK0+TQXorOG3HzHD+CoXeH7iahQ=; b=SGjre3BM9x7QT3QkCAVZ18qGT9 XyADTEzm2JNHeTL85Nl/r3cHEVjUhDmoUq4d7dSyuYlt8wRCKQyygXIWE7FC2P9ISp6zQDag1mZHQ /LCkF2STMtPHdSS/6XDlObQF/lOoRIDV40GZ54RJbJd6WT0wY7wMvSo90PDv5uwuWY8laGzYmy3bD uCBBLHN6vXk83KvoC3Lkwnsr0glW+82PE9lRhRbhs/kvhw9MSxYf/3Oiaz0sswKAwB0d8v+ZiP+Q8 O/RDT+xreny+m2n8e8AQ0cIAbPp7ZW94+JzKnJcOODV0ZgREG14WgtEz23IVl4mzTOwgnNtg5hvAa C21zVxpA==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1pupry-00077B-Az; Fri, 05 May 2023 09:28:46 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83jzxnjqat.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:305865 Archived-At: --cIEeqlItMslfksWE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 05, 2023 at 08:33:14AM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Fri, 5 May 2023 06:44:45 +0200 > > From: > >=20 > > > > ``minimize'' is not modern terminology. It is simply terminology u= sed > > > > by proprietary window systems. > > >=20 > > > KDE and AwesomeWM (just to mention the window managers I have install= ed > > > on this machine) are not proprietary. AFAIK Gnome also uses "minimize" > > > on its user-oriented documentation, so does Xfce and LXQt. > >=20 > > Po Lu is still right. The question is whether to accept Microsoft's > > intellectual hegemony here (as the GNU/Linux desktop ennvironments > > have done, too lightly for my personal taste) or not. > >=20 > > Tough question. I clearly side with Po Lu's standpoint here, but can > > understand that there are others. >=20 > There's no "standpoint" here. Our documentation must be easily > interpreted by today's users, and so boycotting terminology we don't > like is silly and futile. We will be shooting ourselves in the foot. I think nobody's proposing "boycotting" anything. Helping people to find things with whichever terms they come in, is, I guess, consensus. Cheers --=20 t --cIEeqlItMslfksWE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABECAB0WIQRp53liolZD6iXhAoIFyCz1etHaRgUCZFSwKAAKCRAFyCz1etHa Ru9CAJ9b3VicnM5bLIXilBq/rzMRBe68tQCdHBsGkQ+OtXCdpAjqexd444bgwqc= =iwvh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --cIEeqlItMslfksWE--