From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: My resignation from Emacs development Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2024 20:43:19 +0000 Message-ID: References: <169c6564-4722-4338-a049-5f8f3ce69394@alphapapa.net> <86ldxbofgw.fsf@gnu.org> <86msgxq75n.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4583"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 15 21:44:16 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tMvTM-00016M-1U for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2024 21:44:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tMvSZ-0004yE-Kq; Sun, 15 Dec 2024 15:43:27 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tMvSX-0004wq-PG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2024 15:43:26 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.muc.de ([193.149.48.3]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tMvSU-0003o3-Q6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2024 15:43:24 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 70165 invoked by uid 3782); 15 Dec 2024 21:43:19 +0100 Original-Received: from muc.de (pd953a38d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [217.83.163.141]) (using STARTTLS) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sun, 15 Dec 2024 21:43:19 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 3591 invoked by uid 1000); 15 Dec 2024 20:43:19 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86msgxq75n.fsf@gnu.org> X-Submission-Agent: TMDA/1.3.x (Ph3nix) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de Received-SPF: pass client-ip=193.149.48.3; envelope-from=acm@muc.de; helo=mail.muc.de X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:326534 Archived-At: Hello, Eli. On Sun, Dec 15, 2024 at 17:48:20 +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2024 15:27:31 +0000 > > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > From: Alan Mackenzie > > What has been implemented, "remapping", is a sort of extreme version of > > advice: it supersedes a symbol's function by some other function. > > What's more, it is the core Emacs functions which do this, not some > > wierd user setting. CC Mode's symbol `c-mode' now sometimes means C > > Mode, sometimes c-ts-mode. > > I don't think this is a good technical solution for whatever problem it > > was intended to solve. > > I was not involved in the discussion which decided to implement this, > > assuming there was such a discussion. I have been unable to find it in > > the archives, and nobody has given me a reference to it, despite it > > being relevant to this thread. > Remapping of major modes was introduced in Sep 2022, and was discussed > in bug#58075 (which was opened for that purpose). Thanks, I've read it now. > From my POV, it's just a convenient user option, so discussing it as a > feature-request bug report was appropriate. To me, it screems out "there be dragons, here", even from the very first post. > Btw, I suspect that when Richard says "I proposed more than one idea", > he refers to a much more recent discussion, not about what happened > when mode-remapping was added to Emacs. OK. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).